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Recycling Program For Coins?

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 Posted 07/07/2011  07:23 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add flotsam to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
In another thread someone mention that RCM had a recycling program for coins and that circulation coins would be pulled from circulation in exchange for more secure coinage. Anyone have any details on this program? How will this effect collectors?
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 Posted 07/07/2011  07:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I read an article in Coin World about that. How will it effect collectors...it will make the coins in there collection worth more I would think. The U.S. should do this.
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 Posted 07/07/2011  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gowan1982 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From my understanding what they are trying to do is get people to bring in their old change and get back the older pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters as there metal value is worth a considerable amount more than the newer coinage. You can really see this on the following website http://www. (124) Not Allowed - Auto-Removed .com/canada where you see some of the older pennies are worth 200% more, so the mint if taking them back and melting them down for the metal value and making a profit. So for collectors this should make there collections worth more as there will be fewer and fewer coins out there for collectors to get. Yet the mint says the following about coin recycling of trying to get more coins into circulation with the following article
http://www.mint.ca/store/mint/learn...ling-1200014

In Canada they are trying to do this with the Coinstar program in a lot of grocery stores.

Hope that gives you some more information.
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 Posted 07/07/2011  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add flotsam to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes Gowan that was really helpful, but I assume it requires some level of sorting. The new nickels are steel correct? As are the cents so I suppose they could sort those magnetically. I suppose they catch a few American coins in their too. They say the current nickel in the US is costs 9 cents to make, but who wants to hoard those?
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What's more secure than nickel worth over melt? Who's going to counterfeit old nickels? It's not even worth it.

Magnets wouldn't work because they don't grab cupronickel.
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but the low value makes them not worth counterfeiting ?

Look up Henning nickels.

Quote from biggfredd ..... ? Question from me

very worth looking up
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 Posted 07/07/2011  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add La loutre to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As the price of metals was rising, the RCM decided to switch from nickel (or copper for the penny) to multi-layer plating around 2000/2001.

At the same time they started producing plated coins, they started melting older coins. They gave the contracts to companies like Coinstar, which put machines in different locations, mainly in crowded (urban) supermarkets or malls.
That looked helpful at first sight: you drop your coins in the machine, it gives you a receipt to claim your money at the supermarket cashier.
I don't know about now, but at the time, the machine was charging something like a 9,8% fee. Most of people didn't know, so if you drop let's say 100$ in coins in the machine, it would give you a 90,20$ receipt.

Then the nickel is sorted from the plated coins: nickel is going back to the Mint to be melted, the plated coins are rolled up and put back in circulation.

It had a significant effect on the circulating coins. We now get bricks with only plated coins. Overall, I'd say that nickel coins represent some 10-20% of our change, and it's still going on.
As an example, 2006 was the year the RCM struck the most 25ยข in its history.
The Vancouver olympics serie helped to replace those melted nickel quarters as well.

The RCM saved a lot of money with this. Theorically, with the nickel of an old quarter, you could plate over 45 new quarters.

And yes, their core is made of steel. So will the future loonie & toonie.
Plated pennies may have a steel or a zinc core.

In the 2010 annual report, you can read what I was talking about in the other thread, bottom of page 36 + top of 37:
http://www.mint.ca/store/dyn/PDFs/M...ng_FINAL.pdf

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 Posted 07/07/2011  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lithanial to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't be surprised if this year is another low mintage year for loonies and toonies. I also wouldn't be surprised for a crazy high mintage for the first year of the new coins. In addition to all of these surprises, I wouldn't be surprised for an unusual amount of commemorative coins with these new loonies and toonies. With automated laser cutting technology and everything, there shouldn't be any need for specialized dies, which would make it easy to create several designs in one year. A vast variety of commmemoratives with varying mintages should be ideal for collectors. Especially if they create some rare coins for the purpose, which the Mint could easily do now.
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 Posted 07/07/2011  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First off, I could never understand the logic of plating them with nickel at all. What's the benefit of that?

Second, the mint should take their kookiest ideas and give them a super-low mintage of 0.
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 Posted 07/07/2011  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add La loutre to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with you Lithanial about a possible low mintage for both 2011 loonie & toonie, followed by a very high mintage for the upgraded 2012.

The Mint mentioned in the 2010 report they would have another pluri-annual program, meaning we can expect various designs, maybe even some color, laser design, and what else. They don't mention which denomination these designs will be on though.

Libertad, there must be a benefit somewhere, cause this recycling program is quite profitable for them.
Especially when they sell you a "special" plated steel coin for 25$.
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 Posted 07/07/2011  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EastVanRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The nickel plating is to prevent rust. Look at some well-worn 1944 and 1945 5 cents where the chrome has flaked off, and they're pretty rusty.

Also, nickel plating allows the Mint to pretend they are making a real coin and not a cheap piece of junk.
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 Posted 07/12/2011  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rust-proofing, of course. There must've been a benefit beyond a financial one. I thought some people were allergic to nickel, though.
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