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United States
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Here is where you go wrong with buying PM's on a small speculations scale.
1.) Buy large amounts at one time - according to your budget. 2.) Focusing on the price or markets ups and downs. 3.) Getting worried to the point you no longer buy. - you can't have an opportunity to have a good profit on a cost average basis. 4.) Spending money you may need in a short time. 5.) Coming into the market only to stop because of the flux in the market. 6.) Spending too much per oz because you wanted a certain type of silver.
You have to have a very large tolerance of failure to speculate in PM's. If you get upset over your 410K results then PM's are not for you.
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Well, at least 2011 is only like 3 days longer. I am now in the red on my dollar cost ave but I'm not sweating it. I would like to pick up a couple rolls of ASE in the $500 range soon but we'll see. I have bought a couple lots this week from worried sellers at 15-17X face value, seems panic spreads fast.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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From a couple of pages back I just had 1,600 lb safe delivered The delivery guys thought I was Crazy when I told them I wanted it bolted to the slab Especially since it was installed in our Hurricane bolt room which has re-bar reinforced walls But even if I filled it I figure I could have levered it up with a 6 foot pry bar enough to get a pallet jack under it. The gentleman who sold me the safe showed me just how easy it was. So my advice is no matter the weight or size of your safe bolt it down! If you have a good monitored alarm system it only has to hold out until the police arrive about 8 mins in my area. one of the advantages of living in a higher crime neighborhood. Now all I need to do is buy enough silver to fill it.. At around 200oz a year I figure 40 years from now I'll have a good start..
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: Quote: My wife and I recently got a great lesson in inflation and what it can do.
Have your wife tell you what has happened to the price of laundry soap in the last few months. We make our own it takes 15 mins to make a 200 load batch and costs around 1.5 cents a load.
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United States
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I called my dealer today. He will sell me junk silver at 19-1/2 times face delivered. Told him I will make a decision by Monday once I know how much I have to spend and whether it would be better spent somewhere else. Wish I had the time where I could buy it off CL. I can get it there for 16 times face if I keep my eyes open.  
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United States
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But What if the price goes down a lot more by then. My dealer is spot at the given moment that is used for the calculation. Just wondering what decimal is used. I know when 90 percent is struck its silver content is .723 and that's the number some of the calculating sites use but my dealer uses .715 in the formula when I buy from him
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United States
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Quote: We make our own it takes 15 mins to make a 200 load batch and costs around 1.5 cents a load. HOW!?
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United States
667 Posts |
Pretty basic and pretty cheap and it does work. It might cost 1 to 3 cents a load.
1/3 bar Fels Naptha or other type of soap, as listed above ½ cup washing soda ½ cup borax powder
2 gallon bucket
You need to grate the soap and put it in a sauce pan. Then add 6 cups water and heat it until the soap melts. Add the washing soda and the borax and stir until it is all dissolved. Take off from heat. Then pour 4 cups hot water into the 2 gallon bucket. Add it all together and stir. Now add 1 gallon plus 6 cups of water and stir. Let the soap sit for about 24 hours and it will gel. You use ½ cup per load.
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Valued Member
United States
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Quote: But What if the price goes down a lot more by then. I have not committed to buy yet, so the price is not firm, so the price could go either up or down in the meantime. Once I commit to buy, my dealer will sell to me at that price no matter whether the price goes up or down between the time of the commitment and the time of delivery. Likewise, once I commit to buy, I will buy at that price even if the price goes down before I take delivery. I use 0.71 when I calculate because of wear and tear on the coins. My dealer uses 0.72 which allows for some wear and tear, but not all. That said, I get a lot of near proof coins when I buy junk silver from him, so 0.72 is probably a reasonable figure in that case. ********** As an aside, cash Aluminum has not crashed like Aluminum futures have on the LME. Cash AL here is 65 cents today, down only 10 cents (14%) from its recent high whereas the LME is down 30 cents (25%). Does not sound like much, but when you sell several tons every month, it does add up. .
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thanks. Just was wondering. I have never purchased over the phone or without actually buying at the moment so not sure. I guess I too have received some very nice and unworn silver 'junk' as well so the .715 is a good deal in my eyes. Funny before I knew of the local dealer selling junk I called a couple online dealers and no one I spoke with could give me the formula! That steered me away from them. Guess that's why I stick with the local person coins in hand and clear numbers and the mint for proofs
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: Wish I had the time where I could buy it off CL. I can get it there for 16 times face if I keep my eyes open.
As I tell customers: If you want to do the dealer's job, plus the added time and expense, sure you ca get more or buy for less. Surely those aren't dealers on CL.
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Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts |
Quote: before I knew of the local dealer selling junk I called a couple online dealers and no one I spoke with could give me the formula! That steered me away from them. That's because there is no "formula", except for content. In 1980, when silver was $50, a guy turned down $25 (.5) for ten bags, because it was "worth" $35.75. The next day, when it dropped to $30, he could only get $12 (.4) for his silver "worth" $21.45. Stuff is only worth what you can get now. The problem back then was while refineries would pay based on spot, you didn't get paid until they processed it, and you got paid on what the spot was then, which might be 90 days.
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Valued Member
United States
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Quote: As I tell customers: If you want to do the dealer's job, plus the added time and expense, Basically, I tell people that any time they do someone else's job, they generally lose in the long run. I can buy more silver by doing my job and paying the spot price than I can buy when doing a dealer's job while neglecting my own job and paying 20% under spot. That is the reason I don't work on my own cars except in emergencies. I can make more money by paying an automotive shop to fix them.
Edited by mmerlinn 12/29/2011 3:50 pm
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: I can make more money by paying an automotive shop to fix them. Plus you have someone to go back on in case of screwups.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: Here is where you go wrong with buying PM's on a small speculations scale.
Excellent list, MK. Well done with spreading the word.  Quote: You have to have a very large tolerance of failure to speculate in PM's. If you get upset over your 410K results then PM's are not for you. When I had a 401K plan I used to never think about its value, just the number of shares I owned. While the value jumped all over the place, the number of shares rose steadily. When share prices were high, I was happy to have made some money. When they were low, I was happy to be adding more shares at a lower price. It's the same now with my silver collection. It's all about the ounces unless you have to / need to / or want to sell. 
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