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Valued Member
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I have read quite a few posts about people using vinegar to clean up coins. I have also read quite a bit of people frowning on cleaning coins yet don't hear the same outrage about the use of vinegar. I was just wondering what is the rationale behind this? Is vinegar okay to use or are those people just using them on junk coins? Sorry if this has been covered before.
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Pillar of the Community
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No, it's generally not OK to use vinegar on coins with any kind of value. It's used to recover dates on Buffalo nickels that have had their dates worn off, but with the understanding that they'll be considered damaged afterwards. Dateless Buffalo nickels have minimal value, so people don't mind so much.
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Thanks captain. I have a few very worn buffaloes myself. How would you go about recovering the date? Do I just soak it in the vinegar or just do a drop on the date area?
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i think the general practice is to just let them fully soak in vinegar. some folks will use products like nic-a-date on just the date area, but I think in general, it's just easier top plop the whole thing in vinegar. you'll be able to spot restored (damaged) nickels immediately, so it wouldn't matter really whether or not you did the whole thing or just the date area. every once in a while, you'll have a nickel so worn down that the date will be unrecoverable. but most of the time, you'll be able to get something to come up.
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First try to see if you can identify the date without damaging the coin. Several dates and varieties can be identified without any date at all.
If you can't make a positive ID, then try vinegar. It works much better and faster if you dissolve a bunch of salt in the vinegar first. Dissolve about a tablespoon of salt in 1/4 cup of vinegar. Make sure it's dissolved completely before putting in the nickels. Check it frequently - the amount of time required varies a lot (anywhere from a few hours to a month.) Keep the container sealed and do not let the liquid evaporate. If the liquid turns blue, replace with a fresh batch.
Edited by CaptainFwiffo 09/29/2011 2:30 pm
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Valued Member
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Thanks again guys. Gotta love the quick responses on this website.
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Pillar of the Community
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I do a lot of metal detecting and many times when the coins come out of the ground they are a mess. Occasionally I find old Jeffs, Buffalos, or even Liberty nickels. They usually come out orange, red, or even black in color and you can barely tell what kind of coin it is. Assuming they are a common date coin that wouldn't be worth much in low grades anyway I stick them in vinegar for a day or two. You have to wipe them off periodically, but eventually they are silver colored again. I don't plan on selling them. I keep them in the "cool metal detecting finds" part of my collection. The thrill to me is more in finding a coin that may have been sitting underground where someone dropped it 100 years ago. This is a very specialized case. I do not recommend vinegar for any coin (other than date recovery) unless it is so trashed as to be nearly worthless anyway.
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I've used white vinegar to remove the greenish patina or residue that develops on circulated silver-clad Kennedy half dollars. A few minutes soak usually restores a pleasing silver color without causing any damage that I can detect.
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you can also make your vinegar more potent (increase the acetic acid content) by gently boiling off the water in vinegar. if you can control the heat, acetic acid boils at 244-246 (i think) farenheit. so keep the temp between 212 and 230 and you should be fine. most vinegars are 5-7% acidity. increasing the acid content may cause it to work a little faster. it seems to do so whenever I recover dates.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Vinegar as well as all the other items for cleaning coins just should not be done. Yes in some instances a rather expensive Buffalo nickel is said to be found. Yet every time I've seen them they are badly discolored. It's the acid in the Vinigar that is doing the work. And if you look into it you can find Vinegar with a higher acidic content. But why not just go to and auto store and purchase battery acid? Why not just go to Home Depot or Menards or Ace Hardware and purchase Muriatic Acid. If you check you would also find Tomato Juice, Lemon Juice, Lime Juice, etc. also contain Acids. So why not use them and save the money buying something you really don't need unless you do you Vinegar at home for food. In almost all instances cleaning a coin should not be done with anything stronger than Distilled water. Next would be Acetone. Other than that, the chances of ruining a possible valuable coin is something you could end up feeling sorry about. Of course if you really want to find out more on cleaning coins with Vinegar, just go to the Search tab at the top and type in cleaning coins, coin cleaning, Vinegar, Acetone and/or similar subjects.
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just carl has it about 99% right. You should never clean coins that have a readable date. It generally results in a more unattractive coin and reduces it's value. However, I would say most people would be ok with using vinegar to restore the date on a dateless, non silver coin, assuming there is no way to determine the date otherwise. I see no problem in taking a coin that has no real numismatic value and enhancing that value by determining the date and allowing yourself or someone else to use it to fill a hole in their Buffalo nickel album. weerdsteev does great things with dateless buffaloes, although I'm sure he can share plenty of stories about people trashing him because he "cleans" coins.
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Pillar of the Community
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i think the whole point of this thread was relating to otherwise valueless coins where restoring a date would be for posterity's sake and (in my case, interim hole filling) The other issue being brought up is a valuable coin that without a date is unidentifiable...unless there are obvious markers other than date that indicate a specific coin, how would we know it would otherwise be valuable? It's not. if a buffalo was a 1918/7D but the date was completely unreadable, then by all accounts it's essentially worthless. if the date was restored and by some miracle we could discern the overdate, wouldn't it make sense that while the coin has been cleaned/damaged it now has more value (monetary or otherwise) than its previous dateless state?
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Valued Member
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@jedichef Yes when I started this thread I had a couple of my dateless buffaloes in mind. The dealer at the coin shop I frequent sold them to me at a quarter apiece and said that he had checked them for anything that would classify them as rare besides using any chemicals. I was more concerned about what kind of damage would show after using vinegar and if it would make them completely unappealing or not. As of right now they are sitting in a box and at least if I had a date I could use them as hole-fillers until I find better examples of them.
It seems people are pretty much split 50/50 on this, which is what I thought when I started this thread.
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Pillar of the Community
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If they don't have mint-marks, it's probably not worth trying to restore them. Most Philly dates are pretty common and wouldn't be worth much more in a restored state. If they do have mint-marks, you want to check for features that would identify the date. 1913 type 1 stands out, of course, but you can also identify at least 1920, 1921 and 1924 by unique detail in the hair and ribbons. The 1916 doubled die is identifiable without a date and the 1918/7-D has a distinctive die crack. 
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Vinegar is diluted acetic acid. You can also obtain acetic acid from any photographic shop, as it can be used for stop bath for both film and paper. Remember, though, once you've used it on a coin, you've damaged the coin.
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Thanks for the picture captainfwiffo. I will save it for future reference. Seeing as I only started getting serious about collecting in the last month or so I value all your opinions greatly. The dateless coins I have don't have mint-marks so I've decided against "restoring" them.
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