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Mint Employee Steals Error Coins

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 Posted 09/10/2011  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lukkyseven to your friends list
Probably got caught when the $2 atm fee's started to rack up.
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 Posted 09/10/2011  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gmaster456 to your friends list
So, he was clever enough to somehow beat the system, but slipped up by making large deposits at his credit union, and not paying taxes on it. Karma or Irony?
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 Posted 09/10/2011  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Secret Argent Man to your friends list
If I have 2.4 mil in ill-gotten gains, what should I do with it?

-stuff it in my mattress

-slowly pay off all my debts and live "off the financial grid" in a few years
-retire to the carribean or a non-extraditable country.
-give it to charity
-quietly buy coins or other items which would act as a store of value and which I could sell piecemeal later
-live it up in various cash transactions (booze, women, etc)
-put it in a bank, effectively advertising "here I am, IRS come get me!"



hmmmmmmmmmmmm........
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 Posted 09/10/2011  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
It takes a real knucklehead to pile up huge sums of money in an obvious place when he has no legitimate reason to explain the money. Buy a modest home and build a hidden vault in the basement, don't pay cash for a $2 million mansion.
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 Posted 09/11/2011  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Wow...deposting the cash into a bank account was beyond stupid.
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 Posted 09/11/2011  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimtaxguy to your friends list
Article said he deposited the 2.4 mil into his credit union. Now he works for the mint, so it was probably a federal government employees credit union. Now there's a good place to hide money from the gov't.

And you guys thought it was just some run of the mill bank, it was his plan--you hide the money right under their noses.
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 Posted 09/11/2011  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list
As a medically retired Detective,I can tell you that the Security force always has the best chance of stealing. Who checks them? And who checks the people that check the Security people? And who checks them? As you can see it has to stop somewhere. At some point you just have to trust that your Police ( they called him a Mint Cop)have to be honest. That assumption leads to the greatest opportunity for theft.

What has me thinking is the fact that you would have thought the Mint would have records of disposal and would check those figures against the reclaimed metals weight. Which leads to think he would have had to substitute non error coins for the error coins he took.

The only way I can see it happening is if the smelting facility was in a seperate building than the main mint facility. The window of opportunity would be in the transportation segment.

As for the bank? That almost sounds like he was trying to get caught. Guilt,maybe? I have seen these things before. Or he thought he was so smart that he deliberately put the money in the POLICE and Fire Mans Credit Union as a way of boosting his ego.

I once interviewed a man on his death bed. He committed a robbery in the 40s. One Robbery. He took out a loan and bought a house and made his payments with the stolen money.He bought a car the same way most people do, he took out a loan. He had a couple of credit cards. And made all his loan and credit payments with his stolen money. He filed tax returns every year and declared income as a General Contractor, and paid his taxes with the stolen money. He put ten percent of his "income" in the bank every month. He invested that money in conservative funds and CDs ( when CDs were making good money).

He never worked a day in his life after the robbery. No one ever questioned him. He was a nice guy with a nice house and never caused any problems. His own wife never knew. He would leave every day to go to work. Drive to his storage unit where he would change clothes, grab the golf clubs and go play. He said he was an avid golfer and had played at all the courses up and down the coast. When he wasn't Golfing he went to the movies or would shop for Antiques.

He told me the ironic thing was that he made enough money buying and selling Antiques that he could have legitimately gone into the Antique business. But that he had to hide his profits because there was no way to explain to the wife where he found the time to do all the buying and selling.

He did, by the way, open and Antique shop when he "retired" from Contracting.

He had all the evidence to prove his story. He had kept it all those years. The Statute of Limitations had run out long before. We were able to close the case.

I don't condone or admire the theft. I do admire the planning, thought process, and pure self discipline. That and the fact that no one was injured in the original robbery.
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 Posted 09/11/2011  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list

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The only way I can see it happening is if the smelting facility was in a separate building than the main mint facility.

The Mint does not perform any smelting or metal stock preparation. Zincoln blanks are shipped to the Mint in a finished state and for all other denominations, the Mint receives massive rolls of metal stock.
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 Posted 09/11/2011  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list
So the rejected coins are NOT melted in house? There ya go...
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 Posted 09/12/2011  02:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
jm-

Just curious, but even in the 40s, that would require a chunk of change. How much did he steal, and was it just cash?
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 Posted 09/12/2011  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cointagous to your friends list
Thanks for sharing your story JM. Those who get away with a crime are even more interesting than those who get caught.
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 Posted 09/12/2011  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Fascinating story! While a crime, the guy sounds less brazen and destructive than some clowns who went amok on Wall St.
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 Posted 09/12/2011  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
DETAILS...!!
2.4 million IN coin errors....not 2.4 million dollar coins.......... and obviously this would be over a long period of time, in the years.
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 Posted 09/12/2011  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joe316 to your friends list
Nearly all and probably at least 85% of all error coins found their way into circulation from the Mint employees. Look at the Canadian dot pennies. All were stolen from the mint by the employees. They are all dead now so that don't matter.
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 Posted 09/12/2011  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list

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probably at least 85% of all error coins found their way into circulation from the Mint employees.


That's probably ridiculous.

Wow, my kids were right, it really is easy to make stuff up.
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