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Princetane's Growing Collection Of British Coins

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 Posted 09/30/2020  11:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Rather than over monoploise the British coins acquisitions thread, I will show you some of my growing collections of British coins in this thread.

Basically I started seriously collecting old British coins just some 18 months ago. Lately I have done a lot of work on Florins and Halfcrowns. I will show you a mix of general collection shots and occasional close ups of my better and moe expensive coins and as I get them in.

A sample of my florins so far.

This is a work in process, so patience is a virtue. I will start with some overview shots of my Florin collection.

At the time being I have focussed on Halfcrowns, Florins, Farthings and Halfpennies, although other denominations will be added over time. At this stage I am not working on the Crowns, Double Florins or any gold and all of my coins are 17th century and later with a focus on post 1816 material to 1970.

I will start with my Florin collection on the next post.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  03:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Florins so far to Sep 30th 2020

I started seriously redoing British Florins in mid August this year, back then I had the following dates 1849, 2 Godless (Undated and 1886), 1912, 1921, 1933, 1942, 1946 and most of the Cupronickel ones.

Since then it has grown. These images are just of the fronts and show what I store my coins in. BCW Mylar pages - good but the top row will fall out if not held properly.

The coins are 2 x 2 flips with cards and these crack after 4 or 5 rough opens, so I generally don't take coins out. You can examine the coin on both sides in the holder. All my coins are stored in a cool, dark and dry place and apart from these shots were never in the sunshine.

This is just show and tell, so not too much facts about the coins and their phases.

Brief Phases

1. Godless, - 1849 (1 year only and 1848 rare pattern) (28.1mm smaller than modern Florins)
2. Gothic, - 1850 - 1887, dates are in Gothic numerals - Many dates and varieties like Arc numbers and design flaws, coins were larger than later Florins (29.0mm)
3. Jubilee, - 1887 - 1892 (Date on obverse) (28.7mm)
4. Old Head, 1893 - 1901 (All phases 1 -4 Victorian) - Beautiful shields design and Florins reach present size of 28.4mm
5. Edward VII, 1902 - 1910 Britannia on Prow design, beautiful and most quite scarce
6. George V 1911 - 1919 Shields design in Sterling silver
7. George V 1920 - 1926 Shields design but reduced silver
8. George V 1927 - 1936 KG Shield obverse - 1927 is a Proof only and no coins minted in 1934, 1932 scarce.
9. George VI 1937 - 1946 Crowned Rose design in reduced silver
10. George VI 1947 - 1951 As above but cupro nickel, Ind Imp removed from 1949 to 1951 coins
11. Elizabeth II 1953 - 1967 and 1970 proof, floral design with national floral emblems - 1953 with Omn on the back.

My 1849 (Good) and Undated Gothic Florin (Fair)

PS I have left spaces for coins I don't own yet - but not for varieties, especially with the Gothic series.

Starting with a Gothic florin which I am 99% certain is 1886 rather than 1876, the pages have spaces for each year of coin.

Page 2 - Top, here we have 1886 Gothic (Good), 1888 Jubilee (gFine - one of my better coins), 1889 (VG), 1891 (Fine) and 1893 (Worn but probably Good) and 1896 VG.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  03:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The collection is quite patchy until the 1910s when it really picks up

Bottom of Page 2 has 1898 and 1899 Florins (Both near VG). 1901 is Very Good + and the last Victorian Florin. Next coin is Edward VII, but my undated original coin. I am certain its 1902 or 1903 as these are common dates and can't be 1905 as its rare and the 4th numeral has a space at top left so can't be 1906, 08 or 09. It will go when I get coins of this date.

The wear on these Eddie coins is notorious and the design as beautiful as it is, is just too high relief and wears off fast. The dates are gone by gVG in some cases. You will see the dates are weak on my 1908 - 1910 coins which are all around Fine.

Page 3 sees a change from the low mintages ( 3 - 5 million) of Eddie to the high mintage coins of Georgie (20 million in some cases). 1910s silver is quite cheap up to gVF in most cases compared to earlier coins. Silver coin production shot up in World War 1 and continued after 1920 when the silver was debased - 1921 to 1923 saw mountains of coins produced to replace the earlier sterling silver pieces.

Here we have 1907 (Very Fine - a nice and pricey coin for me), 1908 to 1910 (All fine or better and not cheap either), 1912 (One original coin I had - worn VG+), 1914 (Fine+, I added this coin just last week), 1915 (gFine), 1916 (Fine), 1917 (VF plus stunner).
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 Posted 10/01/2020  04:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most of my 20s and some of my 30s coins were added quickly, but these are being upgraded like the 1929 and 1930. Still the average condition is still Fine and up. Only the 1925 and 1932 are really worn and they are scarce dates, okay the 1924 is bit iffy too

(Sorry the 1914 - 1917 row shows again!)

1918 - another VF stunner, 1919 almost as nice very high Fine, 1920 a pretty nasty base metal piece, high VG, 1921 Fine but blackened, 1922 Fine/VG a bit manky and will be replaced, 1923 g Fine - the coin that relaunched my interest in Florins, 1924 gVG a scarcer date, 1925 VG clean and a scarce piece.

If it helps most of my 1920s and 1930s coins cost very little over melt except of course 1925 and 1932 (The 1932 they wanted $60, I got them down to $35)

Page 4 shows the 1926 to 1948 coins.

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 Posted 10/01/2020  04:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This era was one of big change Florinwise from the Flappers to the Bobbi Soxers.

1926 (Fine), 1928 near Fine, 1929 and 1930 stunning aEF to EF, both were surprisingly cheap, and I have a nice 1931 on the way, the current 1931 is still a fine plus coin. 1932 (VG+) but a scarce coin and the least common of all the post 1905 Florins.
1933 Mostly Fine, 1935 and 1936 Fine (Could be replaced).

My George VI are mixed but will be upgraded eventually. Most are barely fine 1937 - 1939.

Reprise of 1936 to 1939, 1938 is probably gFine.
1940 and 1941 near VF, 1942 gVF a nice coin, 1943 Fine less nice, 1944 g Fine, 1945 VF and 1946 a true stunner almost UNC (I will be showing close ups of the best coins a bit later), 1947 almost VF (Cupronickel).
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 Posted 10/01/2020  04:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The last page brings us from Austerity and Father Brown era to the swinging sixties and the era of Heartbeat, George Gently and on the Buses.

Its all Cupronickel and cheap now.

1948 and 1949 VF, some lustre is present, 1950 almost VF and 1951 a good VF coin.

1953 an UNC set coin, stunning, 1954 and 1955 gFine but a ncie 1956 and 1957 (High VF's near EF). 1958 to 1960 VF+

Those 7 1960s coins, the 1961 and 1965 are a bit under VF, the rest is better, the 1964 coin is EF and 1967 is practically uncirculated.

1970 is here with the rest of my 1970 coins!

Next a few close ups and then some halfcrowns.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  05:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You should be very proud of that collection.
( I'm no pro, it's just my humble opinion )
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 Posted 10/01/2020  06:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a very nice collection, Princetane. I enjoyed seeing it!
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 Posted 10/01/2020  06:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scopru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like how you presented your collection. Nice job and very nice start!
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 Posted 10/01/2020  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well done! This definitely deserves being its own topic.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hogarth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Keep it up P, and keep adding to the topic, we're all keen and happy to see what you've found.
Once you've 'done' the modern silvers you could have a crack at 1694-1701 halfpennies and farthings. The number of varieties out there and waiting to be hunted down is mind boggling. It'd keep you going for decades.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the comments guys

Hogarth - I would love to do those coins, William III is a fascinating reign with the great recoinage and all those coppers. But to be honest, its hard to get too many here, I think with the modern silvers they are a bit easier as between 1820ish and up to 1933 (1940 for copper) the British coins were used here and many of my pieces were probably coins bought to New Zealand and used here before 1933 and later pieces were either bought over by British migrants after WW2 or are just commonly found everywhere.

Still its a good idea and I may just entertain it.

Here are some close ups as promised, these shots mostly appeared in the acquisitions thread and the how far back can we go one, - but here they are all by themselves.

1849 Godless

Mostly going to show just the nice ones, but added this as it was technically the first year of the Florin and having the first type is a big plus for any collection, this is ground zero for the Florin collector

The Florin came about originally as a half hearted concession for calls for decimalisation by the Chartists and other liberals in the 1830s and 1840s. Already at that stage many European countries and America had a decimal system of coinage along with newly independent South and Central American republics. Britain was lagging along with various Asian countries with a different system.

Changing to a decimal pound in the 1840s would have bought anarchy and been hard as most people were still illiterate and poor (Full compulsory education was 30 years off) and found such upheavals confusing. The Florin being worth 2 shillings was as far as they went and the "One tenth of a pound" was the big concession to the Chartists and others.

This inscription only survived until 1887 when the Jubilee coins came out, between 1849 and 1887 the Empire had grown massively and many places that were frontiers in 1849 like New Zealand and Western Australia were now big commercial colonies using the sterling system. The suspension of the Half crown was even rescinded in 1884.

Florin comes from the fact it was similar value to silver coins of Germanic princedoms and Netherlands along with some Polo type central Europe coins (Not the gold ones which were about 8/-) and usually (1887 - 1892 and 1902 - 1926 being glittering exceptions) some flowers were on these coin designs.

Colonial Florins were also issued in Boer Republics (1892 - 1897), South Africa (1923 - 1960), Australia (1910 - 1963), New Zealand (1933 - 1965), Southern Rhodesia (1932 - 1965), Fiji (1934 - 1968), British West Africa (1912 - 1965), and even briefly in British East Africa (1920 - 1926).
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 Posted 10/01/2020  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
3 coins per post should be plenty

1886 Gothic Florin, almost certain its 1886 a common year, but if wrong its 1876 can see clearly "xxvi" so could be an x or an l before the 2 x's.

1888 Jubilee, - my best Jub so far complete with the famous Victoria frown.

1891 Jubilee, almost as nice and the Queen is still not amused.

More coming and then we get to the HALFCROWNS
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That's a very impressive collection of florins you've built up in a very short time. It took me years to get so many (other than ones found in circulation before 1993). I still don't have all the Gothic ones. Of the post-1887 florins, 1891 and 1892 took me longest to find.
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 Posted 10/02/2020  12:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks NumisRob, your collection is one of the best I have seen here and your knowledge of British coins is phenomenal - so that means a lot

Meanwhile back to better individual coins

Hardly superstars, but here are 4of the 5 Old Head florins. These coins were the same size as all subsequent Florins and 20 cents/10ps and 10c malta coins. In fact the Australian 20 cent piece is the same weight and size as these 125 year old coins - except the 20 cent coins are not silver.

Of this group, the 1901 is the best coin I can offer here.

Much nicer is the 1907 Edward VII Florin with the classic Britannia on the prow design - these coins are very beautiful and most quite expensive in high grades, this VF piece cost me $55 and that gives you some idea of their cost.

As beautiful as it was, the design was too high relief and its hard to find sharp and full dates on coins under Fine condition - its probably up there with the Gothics for undated coins.
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 Posted 10/02/2020  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As we move into George V coins, we get a design fairly similar to the Jubilee florins, excepts it much softer and sharper. Fortunately most dates become more affordable and VG down can be had for most dates (There are no scarce ones until 1924).

VF coins are not too hard either! Here are my better ones.

This 1916 coin is in the high Fine, almost VF group - the quality of these coins shoots up between Fine and VF, some Fine pieces are quite worn and flat looking, but some VF's almost look brand new.

These 2 are even better and count amongst some of my nicest Pre WW2 Florins.

In 1920 the fineness was reduced to 50% and worn coins are either brownish (1920 - 1922), Greenish (1922 - 1926) and after blackish due to copper content. Huge numbers were minted between 1920 and 1923, yet for some unknown reason I only have mediocre examples that are worth barely melt (About $5 - $10 a coin dependent on silver price). The best is 1923

1924 and 1925 were the scarce dates, with 1925 being partcularly hard to get.

That is about the best I can do for 1925.

1926 saw a further issue of this design, but in 1927 no Florins were issued apart from 15k in the 1927 Kruger Grey Proof set designs and only a few entered circulation.
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