Expensive Kaunos Stater Authenticity

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DirtyHarry Valued Member Germany 141 Posts	Posted 04/07/2023 01:51 am In the last two years there is an obverse/reverse die combination for a Kaunos Stater which is appearing often on seemingly different coins, mainly from the same sources. These are coins worth several thousands each. What´s your oppinion regarding this? How likely/unlikely/weird/perfectly normal is this in your experience? Thanks a lot for your input, Best Report this Post to the Staff

sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21788 Posts	Posted 04/07/2023 03:04 am If an example came up for auction at one of the World's major specialist numismatic auction houses, and I was interested, I would research the recorded die variations for coins sold that are similar to coin in question. To begin my research I would consider 'Coinarchives Kaunos stater' would be a good place to start. Fortunately, I have access to one of these auction houses and their sale records of most of the other major auction houses, and thus I may begin my research. Most of the World's major auction houses are members of the International Association of Numismatic Professionals (IAPN) and are in contact with each other on a regular basis. If you do not have this sort of access, (although I have never tried it), a research of die records held by the British Museum regarding this coin may be of good help. I do not know what the access protocols to the BM records may be. Also a research of known fakes in this case could also ne necessary. Comparing to pics of two examples currently on VCoins, OP's looks to be OK. Report this Post to the Staff
Kushanshah Pillar of the Community United States 1554 Posts	Posted 04/07/2023 07:21 am I'm not an expert on the coins of Kaunos but that many coins all apparently from the same die pair with similar mushy details is odd, I think. Report this Post to the Staff
sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21788 Posts	Posted 04/07/2023 08:53 am I most certainly agree with Kushanshar. Report this Post to the Staff
DirtyHarry Valued Member Germany 141 Posts	Posted 04/07/2023 12:53 pm I also personally think this is odd (suspicious) but I wouldn´t feel comfortable condemning them since there are different oppinions regarding this matter and I am no expert. I know that multiple obverse/reverse die matches happen on roman coinage, but usually on uncirculated coins found in the same treasure, and of course full matching specimens are comparatively few within a hoard. I have no idea how this works for Kaunos coinage, for coins found in different conservation grades. I posted them in order of appearance. The first ones I found are the last four (three are being auctioned/offered right now as I write) and I was worried to find out that the feet are missing in all four of them. I was fearing die transfer forgery, but I am no authority on this. Couldn´t find them in forgerynetwork or Forum Ancient Coins Fake database. I don´t know if there are other useful open resources to search for this, I would really thank any suggestions! The British museum´s online database has pictures for one specimen from the late 1800´s with very similar style, but no matching dies afaik. (I also thought that the style was odd, but this proved me wrong). Report this Post to the Staff
livingwater Pillar of the Community United States 2280 Posts	Posted 04/07/2023 1:49 pm Looks like one or two of these are on acsearch.info. I know little about them sorry. Maybe a hoard was found but I'd think they'd have similar appearance, not some porous rough surfaces, others better metal? Edited by livingwater 04/07/2023 3:53 pm Report this Post to the Staff
sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21788 Posts	Posted 04/07/2023 7:31 pm It is worthy of note that the detail on Iris' hair (could be wear or not fully struck up) is exactly the same, as well as the lack of design detail regarding Iris' feet. I also note that the coins found on VCoins are derived from different die pairs. There remains the possibility ( I consider slight). that the four coins pictured are from the same die pair, and if genuine, probably originated from the same hoard Edited by sel_69l 04/07/2023 7:37 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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