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Half Joes Or Johannes In Use In English Colonies And The United States

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I am investigating the history of the use of the portuguese 6400 reis, peças, or 4 escudos, in different areas of the americas. And their production.

I know that they circulated in north America and in the Caribbean. I have read one of the books about the counterstamped coins in use in the Caribbean islands. In those islands there was a mess of a mixture of clipped and underweight portuguese 4 escudos coins, good weight genuine coins, and contemporary forgeries that were always underweight and only sometimes made with a debased alloy.

Ralph Gordon, who wrote about the counterstamped coins, said that fake underweight coins were produced both in Europe, in Geneva and Birmingham, and in the United States, in a place or places as yet unidentified. He was writing in 1987.

Does anyone here know of newer research about the forgeries of these coins?
Or about published works where the use and value of the half joes in North America is explained?


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Thanks. Did not have much hope in asking, I do believe it is a very obscure topic.
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I don't really have much to add directly to the topic in question, but I will point out that Portuguese johannas do seem to have circulated in the colonial worlds, long after their issue date.

In 1801, the governor of the Australian colony of New South Wales issued a list of legal tender foreign coins, along with their legal tender values. The Portuguese johanna and half-johanna were top of the list. Their legal tender values were set at exactly £4 and £2, respectively.

The whole point of this list was to assign inflated legal tender values to the foreign coins then circulating in the colony, in an effort to dissuade merchant ships from leaving the country with all the coins - which was a major concern for a colony that was less than 20 years old and still imported everything and exported nothing. In Britain, the johanna was tariffed at £3/12/- or in other words, the johanna was worth eight whole shillings more in Sydney than it was in London.

In the pre-Revolutionary American colonies, each colony set it's own exchange rates for johannas, which also seem to have been typically in the £4/-/- to £4/10/- range. The colonies also had "regulators" - jewellers and goldsmiths who would weigh the circulating foreign gold coins, drill and plug extra gold into them if they were found to be slightly lightweight, then stamp their own jeweller's mark onto the verified coins. These "regulated gold coins" are of course highly sought after by American collectors, though Portuguese collectors might frown upon them as merely "damaged coins". Obviously, anything found to be either fake or seriously underweight would simply be rejected by the regulators. Equally obviously, a regulator's stamp wouldn't have been that difficult for a counterfeiter to replicate.

With the passage of the Constitution in 1789, the Federal government gave itself the role of regulating foreign coin (Article 1, section 8, clause 5). In 1793, an Act was passed doing just this, setting "the gold coins of Great Britain and Portugal" legal tender at 1 dollar per 27 grains of gold; that gave the johanna a legal tender face value of US$16. This rate was confirmed by the Act of 1806 and as far as I can tell remained in place until foreign coins were officially withdrawn in 1857.
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Sap always has an interesting read on an obscure items.
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