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1923-S - Have You Heard Of A Herd Of Bison?

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Hi, OK, so maybe three doesn't make a herd, but do you agree that I have these graded in order, best on the left, least good on the right? I note that the left and middle ones have the weaker LIBERTY, but I think this is once again a metal flow issue. Most everything else about the right-most one seems weaker to me, although the muckyness just inside the rim of the one on the left down past FIVE CENTS bothers me.

Are the lines on the bison's rump on the coin on the left PMD or something like roller marks?

Opinions on specific grades for each are welcome. I'm specifically wondering because I know the issues that arose with production on these.

Thanks in advance.


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Your grading looks pretty good.

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Are the lines on the bison's rump on the coin on the left PMD or something like roller marks?

Looks like staining or something related to PMD.
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middle one has pvc damage
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I agree with your grading order. Those are three great coins.
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Please elaborate. I'm not sure what you're seeing.
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The green along the bottom edge the middle nickel. I believe it might be verdigris.
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Ah, yes, bit of verdigris. Time to break out the ole angle grinder and tickle her up.
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as with many of the buffalo's each year presented different issues at each mint. for the 23S nickel production was notoriously soft, with many coins showing little to no buffalo detail. This was due to die wear and the mint's softer striking practices at the time. Coins that show strong buffalo detail are exceptionally rare

San Francisco's dies were in heavy use at that time, and the Mint's aggressive die polishing practices, common in the Buffalo era, could cause design elements to wear away or misalign. This environment made mismatched dies more likely, as dies were frequently replaced and sometimes paired incorrectly.

in addition to this, die polishing was common in the 1920's there, on coin one and two you can see this on the fur on the head. the other devices where this is prevalent is Bison's Hip, Flank, and Tail most noticeable on coin 2.

all of these need to be considered when grading in order to determine how much wear was actually strike and die polishing and one reason why this entire series is one left to those who are well versed in the series when purchasing raw. all of this not only presents a challenge but also makes the series extremely interesting.

coin 1 - I'm at AU50
coin 2 - needs acetone bath - lots of die polishing going on, head, shoulder and especially the tail area - VF30
coin 3 - VF35

hopefully fortcollins chimes in to either confirm some of my comments and smack me upside the head


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