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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I buy one of each $X for $X coin for my personal collection, as well as a few extras sometimes as gifts. I look at it as a $20 gift that will be worth $20 no matter what... To me at least. I've had no trouble selling a few on a local buy and sell website, traded them for other stuff, and have used them at face value at coin shops. I've given a few to my nephew and told him he could give them to me at any time, and I'd give him a few bills instead. He's 15 years old and has hung on to them for several years now. These are coins that start new collectors in the hobby as well as give collectors with a very limited budget the ability to grab a few coins here and there. These are unlike other coins made by RCM, and even if you can't use them to buy smokes at 7/11 or fill your car with gas, I can't see them selling for less than face value. Especially if the series continues for many more years. New collectors will gladly spend a few bucks over FV to complete the set 5 years from now. In fact, I paid $30 to get the first coin in the series. It may seem silly to big time spenders of RCM NCLT products to buy coins with such a high mintage, but I believe they hold their value better than 99% of new products. With lots of new coins being pumped out by the mint, this series has to be the best bargain. And are basically the only NCLT coins I will be buying from now on unless something really cool, like a picture of my face appears on the next months release. Any sets I care to complete will be done on the secondary market, from brick and mortar stores in an attempt to keep them afloat. Many of us have spent $100's or $1000's+ on coins that will never be worth what we paid for them. I believe these will. Perhaps not at a bank but collectors will pay FV all day. If you want to spend them, give them as tips at your next dinner out. Use them as poker chips. Drill a hole and make a necklace, (or see if they fit into the one the mint sells). To anyone that says they are only worth melt, I say "how many ya got?" Followed by "I'll take them all."
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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@Redzapsid
Well said. I'm with you 100%.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
Does the Bank of Canada redeem $20 for $20's? If they don't, they are in a practical sense not NCLT.
The Reserve Bank of Australia is required by Law to redeem all Australian NCLT as face value.
Edited by sel_69l 02/23/2016 4:11 pm
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 United States
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NCLT means Non-Circulating. Trying to spend or deposit, seems to me, is trying to circulate it.  
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote:There is another thread - Royal Mint - Face value - Legal tender coins - or not - where in the UK these coins are no longer being accepted by banks for face value. What happens if the Canadian Mint decides to do the same. Remember that the coins are worth $20 on ebay because people believe that they can be exchanged or redeemed. A few pages back, ShareBear referenced a related CCF thread where the UK banks stopped accepting NCLT at face value, because at least one UK Mint customer was using his credit card to earn perks (flight miles, product discounts, cash back, etc.) and then taking the coin purchases to the bank to redeem for cash. Here's the thread, which contains a link to the news article: https://goccf.com/t/253867Consequently, if someone tried this "free credit card perks" scheme with Canada's x-for-x coins, he/she might have trouble finding a bank to accept all the NCLT coins. Maybe too much of a risk in Canada, especially on large credit card purchases, like for $200-for-$200 coins?
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Rest in Peace
Canada
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Not much different from those that only used the purchase of x/4/x coins to prop up their mint status to get into the master's club.
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New Member
Canada
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http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/PDF/R-9.pdf - The Royal Canadian Mint Act (R-9). Have a look at the section Schedule. The section lists the denominations of NCLT and give specifications on circulating legal tender. For example: 5 A ten cent coin of which (a) the composition is pure nickel; (b) the standard weight is 2.07 grams; and (c) the margin of tolerance with respect to weight is 21.44 grams per kilogram of 483 pieces. 5.1 A ten cent coin of which (a) the composition is nickel, copper and nickel-plated steel; (b) the standard weight is 1.75 grams; and (c) the margin of tolerance with respect to the weight is ±34.43 grams per kilogram of 571 pieces. Therefore silver dimes (pre-1968, including .500 1968 dime) are not legal tender. Also according to the act, silver nickels (pre-1922), silver quarters, silver 50 cent pieces, silver dollars, nickel dollars, small cents from 1920-1981, and large cents are not legal tender.
Edited by SuperGyr 02/23/2016 9:02 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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@SuperGyr
I'd add the silver 20 cent... (but would gladly find one in circulation).
What about nickel 50 cents? I think I've seen a couple in circulation.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Read the Currency Act.
As far as I know, no Canadian issued coin has been demonetized. They are all legal tender.
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New Member
Canada
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canadian_coins, you are right, 20 cent pieces are also not legal tender. As well, a fifty cent coin of which the composition is pure nickel and has a weight of 8.1 g is legal tender EDIT: Also the $5 and $10 gold coins are not legal tender according to the Royal Canadian Mint Act.
Edited by SuperGyr 02/24/2016 12:46 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
2845 Posts |
The purpose of the Royal Canadian Mint Act is to regulates what can be minted by RCM going forward, the perimeters of new coinage per say. It has nothing to do with deeming whether old silver dimes are still legal tender or not. If you dig through Bank of Canada legislation, you'll find indeed they are still legal tender. It's BofC that carries the responsibility of coin and currency nationally, not RCM. Adding: this is regarding legal tender: The Currency Act http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/.../page-1.html
Edited by wildflowerAB 02/24/2016 01:26 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: Therefore silver dimes (pre-1968, including .500 1968 dime) are not legal tender. Also according to the act, silver nickels (pre-1922), silver quarters, silver 50 cent pieces, silver dollars, nickel dollars, small cents from 1920-1981, and large cents are not legal tender. My reading of this is that the listed standards are for the most current production coin, not a comprehensive list of which coins are legal tender, and the standards can change over time. I am not sure if the 20 cent and $5/$10 were officially recalled, or merely no longer produced. Rob Turner's article does not state which is the case with the 20 cent piece, only that a significant amount was remade into quarters.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If any of you have spare face value coins (i.e. $20 for $20, $100 for $100 etc.) and your bank doesn't want to cash them for you, you may want to contact these dealers: http://wsdcoins.com/store/http://www.thecoinshoppe.ca/They will accept these coins as payment at their face value for goods purchased in their store. But contact them first to see if they still offer this service. Both carry bullion as well, which I think has a better chance of appreciation in the long run. I can personally vouch for the first dealer, WSD Coins. And not, it's not me! ;)
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
3690 Posts |
Not sure this is the best place for this but I just stumbled upon this article: http://www.businessinsider.com/us-m...miles-2011-7It may have been posted before since it's about 5 years old but I had not seen it before. Anyway, it deals with FV coins being shipped at no cost by the US Mint and returned to banks, all for the purpose of acquiring credit card benefits including Airline Miles. The US mint eventually stopped the program because of that abuse - wonder why the RCM hasn't...yet? Despite the poor grammar, the best part of the article is this: One forum poster even directed the shipment of coins straight to the bank whom his mortgage was with, so he didn't have to "hassle with hauling them over myself, because I have a bad back".That guy is a genius. Has anyone tried drop shipping a load of 20 for 20's to your bank? 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2408 Posts |
Quote: One forum poster even directed the shipment of coins straight to the bank whom his mortgage was with, so he didn't have to "hassle with hauling them over myself, because I have a bad back". Now with a limit per household this problem should be somewhat under control...
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