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 Posted 03/16/2014  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Red to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just to let you all know I have uploaded another batch of fake coins to my website.

http://ukfakeanderrorcoins.50webs.com/

(Now over 160 Fake Pound Coins and 33 Possibles)

Including my latest find, this fake £2 coin...

Fake-£1

Enjoy :)
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 Posted 03/23/2014  05:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dutch counterfeiting ring's £30m swindle behind decision to replace £1 coin

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...9210251.html
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 Posted 03/23/2014  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DaytR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link , what a story ! Given their supposed sophistication I wonder if it will be possible to identify the fake pound coins from these Dutch forgers ... .

its amazing they had been in operation for that long
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 Posted 03/23/2014  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moralclimate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Dutch police are understood to have found machinery capable of producing the master dyes used to make £1 coins, something that has never been seen before in UK forgeries... industry sources said [the ECM] matched the sophistication of The Royal Mint.


Fake-£1

This image taken from "Italian con artists caught with fake pound coins in Dover are jailed" http://www.kentnews.co.uk/news/ital...ed_1_3228684. Earlier coverage reported that these coins had been smuggled from Amsterdam.

Only Bridge series coins appear in this image. There is one Bridge series that fits the bill perfectly. See user RED's gallery for Bridges coins that tick 3/4 boxes but are wrong weight. If I am recognizing these correctly, they are very slightly thinner than genuine, have distinct rounded cusps to the edges and a much grainier surface than a genuine £1 still of the same hue. Those, together with the Royal Mint-like fidelity of the faces, are diagnostic features. They often have errors particularly in the edge engraving as well as die cracks and Cuds, and are generally shinier (less oxidised) than usual for the years concerned, but any of the latter could occur in a genuine coin. Also the dots around the faces tend to hit the rim circle, which is thinner than normal because of the rounded cusps.

I have only ever found them with Bridge designs, matching date and edge engraving, nothing else that seemed to be from the same source.

This series may be mostly to blame for the resurgence in fake incidence between 2012 and 2013 surveys i.e. several million being imported in the meantime. However 30 million, even over several years, seems preposterously high if they also suspected in 2007 that the Enfield man then jailed made at least the blanks for 14 million, and considering what sort of numbers should be attributed to all the other large and medium scale series out there.
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 Posted 03/23/2014  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DaytR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a great analysis & explanation ! Its interesting what you said about the thin rims and their coins being shinier for their age because last year I got a 1990 pound coin which matched such a description ( and everything else about it seemed genuine) ....

The link about the Italian fella busted with fakes no longer works,unfortunately ; I will definitely check RED`s gallery and look more closely for those fakes tommorow
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 Posted 03/23/2014  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DaytR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome ! I was shocked they got 10 months , could it be due to the small number of coins they had on them and passed ?
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 Posted 03/23/2014  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moralclimate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, try this link now:

http://www.kentnews.co.uk/news/ital...ed_1_3228684

Do I take it your 1990 coin was not a proof, as they can have centring errors but I understand the cusps of the edge will tend to be nicely right-angled?
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 Posted 03/23/2014  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DaytR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its funny you ask that because I first thought maybe it was one but on checking it didnt have the mirror like surface or the frosted like look which ruled out a proof ....
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 Posted 03/24/2014  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moralclimate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-1-coin.html

Spot the errors!

(i) This £30m claim is going to run and run until someone like Marcus du Sautoy explodes it.

(ii) Marcus Glindon jailed in 2007 was reported to have made 14 million blanks but not necessarily to have made all the finished coins from them. This contradicts the assertion attributed to Robert Matthews that the blank-makers have never been caught.

(iii) The suggestion that forger Onel forced Osborne to change the £1 is a little ludicrous given that he was busted last December.

(iv) Rather risqué to suggest that people stick suspected fakes into a machine to test for them! In any case there is at least one series of older fake £1 discussed in a journal paper as being undetectable except visually/optically. Somebody in a previous thread discussed having disposed of what appeared to be one of these in a machine.

(v) The reverse design hasn't changed every year, there have been Royal Shield every year since 2008. Also changing the designs hasn't necessarily helped, e.g. it means more edge inscription fonts one has to become familiar with so as to recognize the better imitations.
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 Posted 03/24/2014  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DaytR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the link , its an interesting article and its very risqué to suggest that people stick suspected fakes into a machine to test for them after they had just stated what the law says.....

The bits that I liked were :

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But The Royal Mint report noted that if a bank confiscated a suspect coin without compensation it could lead to a ‘public disturbance'.


.. but seriously, if they had offered to re-reimburse people for fakes found the number of really bad fakes would plummet to almost zero then banks and cash centers would be left free to filter out the harder to spot ones .....but having said that I found the numbers of fakes seized & those estimated to have been produced staggering

and this was also interesting to read =>


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only those with a real eye for detail would ever know they were not real.

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 Posted 03/27/2014  04:11 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got this one in change in the local pub yesterday - first fake I've had in quite a while:



Fake-£1


Fake-£1
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 Posted 03/27/2014  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DaytR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well done Rob ! They are really getting hard to get and that one you got looks like it could pass a first glance especially were you got it
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 Posted 04/02/2014  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Red to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AHAHAHAHAHA

Spot the error... or rather... the FAKE

Fake-£1
https://www.facebook.com/#!/DavidCa...pe=1&theater
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 Posted 04/02/2014  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greg8904 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ive been finding fakes left right and centre at work. Flicked through the till the other day and found 6!! I come across a few most shifts I've never properly looked until the last month or so but they are fairly common
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 Posted 04/02/2014  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moralclimate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ RED, looks like quite a rarity to have motto "N... SSIT" with those 'unsprung' S's. In fact any with such an S are getting rare these days.

X83 in your gallery http://ukfakeanderrorcoins.50webs.com/ has it in the word 'DECUS'.

I've also had it in the word 'DECUS' in one apparently from the same series as your B7, B9, X58, X87 and POSSS. These have grooves that criss-cross the reeding, a face texture that looks spray-painted, and generally a thick rim around the obverse, (resulting from) relatively angular cusps and a slightly larger diameter than real £1, though they are slightly thinner (thickness). Robert Matthews discussed an example here: http://www.coinauthentication.co.uk...ml#cftpounds but I presume this operation is long defunct, I've never found a bright, shiny one.

Returning to the subject of the 'Dutch' operation, since the link I posted above to an image of Amsterdam-origin fakes appears broken, here is another go: Fake-£1
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