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 Posted 08/02/2012  11:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Politicians do not want any currency backed by a commodity as it ties their hands. They want the ability to print at will. IF there was a revaluation of the dollar, what is to prevent that new dollar from losing value as well? Other nations that revalued also watched their new currency devalue over time.
I agree that you need other items besides PM's as a back up right now. Food is going up far faster than PM's right now. None of us knows what the future holds but by studying history you have an idea of which way things could go and be able to prepare. Gold and silver are only one piece of the puzzle.
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Politicians do not want any currency backed by a commodity as it ties their hands.

Yes, even though their hands SHOULD be tied when it comes to squandering the public treasury. Gold was very effective at this. When gold was money and US dollars were backed by it, they could not simply roll the presses and create more backing for any freshly printed currency. As in all other fiat currencies, the urge to print more US dollars is irresistible, so that's what is done... all part of the death cycle for fiat currencies. Nothing new here... move along... nothing to see here.


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IF there was a revaluation of the dollar, what is to prevent that new dollar from losing value as well?

Not a blooming thing! Which is exactly what they would do, given the chance to do it. Because most people would be aware of this, any new post-dollar currency that comes along that is not backed by something of real value is likely to be received with considerable suspicion. This happened during the 1910s and 1920s. My grand father told me that when he worked in a logging camp in Colorado, they switched from paying the men in gold coin to paying them with "more convenient" paper money. They almost had a riot on their hands. Those men worked really hard. They wanted REAL money for their efforts and not this new-fangled tissue paper stuff!


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Food is going up far faster than PM's right now.

Yes, it is and this will get worse shortly as the drought in the middle of the country affects crop yields and animal herds. Stocking up on food is a very wise precaution that our grand parents and great grand parents would have understood as good, simple, common sense. Corn meal, sugar, flour, beans, cooking oil, and meat are about to become considerably more expensive than they have been. Not sure about rice but it's also a good staple to have on hand.
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 Posted 08/02/2012  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So like if I went and bought 1 ounce of silver now for 30 dollars and then some how magically didn't have to sell it in a hyperinflation scenario and only got 5 dollars back in the new currency am I really making any money?

Perhaps not - but you certainly haven't lost everything, which is what would have happened to somebody who hung onto their old dollars. That's the whole point of the "store of value" and "hedge against inflation" discussions around PMs: not to get rich, but to keep from going broke.

There are many sad stories that come out of hyperinflationary periods, such as Germany. Like the little old lady who went down to the bank to withdraw her life savings, 600,000 marks. They gave her a million mark note - it was the smallest denomination they had. But the key thing to note is that most of those hundred-odd currencies that were victims of hyperinflation had radically different circumstances to those faced by America today. Most hyperinflation is as a direct result of a country fighting (and usually losing) a costly and unavoidable war. Some examples:

- Confederate States, 1864 - losing a war.
- Germany 1923 - lost a war.
- Greece 1944 - invaded by Nazi Germany, then erupted into civil war once the Nazis were kicked out.
- Japanese-occupied Philippines 1945 - losing a war.
- Hungary 1946 - lost a war.
- China 1948 - losing a civil war.
- Argentina 1980s - a corrupt military dictatorship which also eventually lost a war. This was more a case of hyperinflation causing a war, rather than the other way around.
- Russia and other ex-Communist countries, 1991 - economic collapse caused by sudden release of communist controls that had held inflation in check for decades. Warfare played a role here too, as feuds long kept in check by Soviet military might erupted into ethnic violence.
- Zimbabwe 2008 - a corrupt paranoid kleptocracy whose frankly bizarre policies systematically destroyed their own economy.

Most examples of inflation where there is no obvious military-related cause have been as a result of corruption or ineptitude on the part of the government.
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The united states dollar collapsed when we went to war against terrorism and lost. =( I don't think our currency will vanish due to corruption in government but because of the war on terrorism and we will loose it

perhaps you are making money, you are buying silver with inflated dollars, and then selling it for dollars that have more purchasing power, in turn getting less money, but more purchasing power, ya I think it's more of storing your wealth though not really a way to make money I'm betting on the fact though that I would have to sell in hyperinflation along with pretty much everything and perhaps better off storing wealth in other things, what I'm not exactly sure, food goes bad, still a mystery, silver and gold will only be part of the plan, I think a couple of ounces are necessary but much more than that I'm not so sure about.
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A dramatic statement, greenprint. I'll not argue winning or losing (this isn't the forum), but to lay the USA's fiscal troubles solely on the War on Terror is not only wrong, it betrays a serious lack of understanding of how 21st century Washington conducts it's increasingly populist brand of politics.

The financial obligations incurred for the ongoing War, the housing crisis of 2008, TARP, and countless other unfunded or underfunded programs and entitlements created in recent years may have accelerated our exploding yearly deficits and dramatically expanded our national debt. But the reality is that the mindset that allows our politicians today to fabricate politically popular and nominally necessary programs and entitlement without requiring a politically unpopular cut in spending OR an increase in taxes has been gaining steam for years. The only difference today from the past is that our new deficit and debt levels are just too unbelievably and terrifyingly large for the MSM or the public to ignore any longer.

No, greenprint. You can't blame our financial mess on the War, and certainly not any group of cowardly terrorists. Our financial mess is homegrown and self-inflicted. And our politicians on both sides of the aisle must take the blame.

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Wisely stated - these are facts, not political theories. That's another problem with out financial situation, too many people who do not pay attention to facts, only using their emotions, get duped into thinking its all about their favorite/nonfavored political party.

There is a direct correlation to the financial condition the US had had and which party controls the Legislative Branch. A little research will show the good times have been on one side and the bad on another. And most of the time the president (whoever is in at the time) is given a lot more credit/blame for the economy than he actually can control. But none of this is ever brought to light and the media directs the focus elsewhere to suit their own political purposes. Thankfully we have the Internet where we can find the truth by digging.

History has shown we need a definite backing to our money. If paper money is used, it needs to be redeemable on demand. And if the amount of paper money to be redeemed outpaces the actual backing, then there is more trouble to be had. If we could all get rid of that one killer problem in mankind - greed/hunger for power - we could have a working system. But that is not going to happen. We happen to be at a point in history when we are facing a climax of when this problem has reared its ugly head to the point it is going to cause some major, worldwide problems.


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Wow. We really do have a very smart group of people here, I learn so much about world views when reading these forums
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And if the amount of paper money to be redeemed outpaces the actual backing, then there is more trouble to be had.

Indeed so, Earle. This is the old "solving one problem while creating another" scenario. The irresistible nature of this, of course, is that the politicians who engage in it hope to be safely dead or retired by the time the bills come due for their irresponsible actions. This is why we simply MUST have a balanced budget amendment to the US Constitution with the only exception being a state of national emergency declared by the president and approved by a 75% vote in the US Senate. It would be great if we had a little self-control and did not need such a crutch but apparently we do need it because such responsible actions are not happening without it.
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Money for land-inflation, they have that it's called a high-rise condominium! You get a tiny parcel of space for an inflated price and you don't even own the land. Yay!

Did everyone forget 1963 and 1971? Vietnam! Hello! We need funding for a war that goes in circles and we know we cannot win. How do you fight communism with invasion - heck knows. J. F. Kennedy doesn't enter into France's Asian affairs, but a year after his assassination the currency gets debased and shortly after the U.S.-Vietnam war is in full gear. What a crock.
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Well I think it's no mistake that John F Kennedy got killed before he was able to sign the bill that would bring us back to silver coinage

i read something about this and how there are conspiracy theories that the person who shoot him worked for the fed because they were scared of going out of business
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Your statement doesn't make sense, greenprint. The US had silver coinage and was still on a gold standard all through JFK's presidency. Most silver coinage didn't go away until after 1964 and international convertibility of the US dollar into gold existed until 1971.
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i thought kennedy wanted to put us back on the gold or silver standard or something but was assinated before he got to sign the bill (probably not by chance)
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i thought kennedy wanted to put us back on the gold or silver standard or something but was assinated before he got to sign the bill (probably not by chance)


That would be a NO.
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Kennedy was a fan of sound money, though, and that could well have been the source of his difficulty with the banksters who wanted FULL control of creating the nation's currency and the interest they would collect for doing that. See Executive order 11110 for some very interesting details on this:

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefe...lreserve.htm

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Honestly. How do you guys have so much knowledge. This is like a history class
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