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What Happens To Gold And Silver Next? Look Out Below?

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Arksun's Avatar
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 Posted 04/15/2013  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arksun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Price still falling. BullionByPost and Gold Bullion Co still hiking up huge markup, however Baird and Co have much better online price right now (£945)and I'm very tempted to pull trigger with them.

Side note, hope anyone from Boston who visits forum is ok, just watching the news... :(
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04/15/2013 4:26 pm
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 Posted 04/15/2013  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This was a fun read.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your preaching to the choir sodude lol as we think more alike then you realize as if is not nailed down I sell it....

I could list all the different genres that I have experimented with along the way and one thing I finally learned real simple math here....

If I can continue to buy these cars for 6 up to 12 each an selling for 20 to 50 each-I will take that each and every time.....

Many more people but toy cars from 20 to 50, then there are buyers now paying hundreds for pmz....

When I tried to sell silver too often sells we're far an few between at the prices I needed to sell at to turn a profit. I ship cars every day...

I 105 sold in Feb-144 sold in March-62 so far in April. Consistency is the key to a successful business....
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 Posted 04/15/2013  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Demarco Bishopp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, BullionByPost is still extracting the urine. Even with their "best value" 1oz gold coins they're still charging 10% over spot.

(P.S. Silver is crashing...)
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04/15/2013 4:57 pm
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 Posted 04/15/2013  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allspice to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems dealers are marking up $1-2 per ounce, even if their website states differently. Also noticed product choices are dwindling. But silver is still a falling knife!

Keeping cool & only buying a little here & there (i.e. NIBBLING - love that expression, yup7676) until next support level!
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 Posted 04/15/2013  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
well quite the day that's for sure.

Another strong gap down, and mind you this one came even on higher volume. For those who want to understand these terms pull up any chart and look at the volume portion of the chart and a good place to see this is using the symbols SLV and GLD. Now I realize many will scoff and say that's "paper" but you are wrong. These contracts, the futures markets are running the show.. and the volume is telling us again, as I have said many times, that this is heavy duty fund and institutional selling.

After a shock and awe day of selling, you might think that now it is a great time to back up the truck. Thing is, and I have traded these markets for a while now so I know, but commodities are super volatile and they can continue a strong trend until it wears out those who try and step in front of it. Folks, gold isn't like some stock where you have a certain type of investor or speculator who says, ok,, there's "value" at this price. Sorry but we wont have "value" investors step forward.

In fact, the big funds have been silently and surely distributing out of their gold positions.. so as I have said earlier, what has happened is of no real shock. Remember all the tight ranges we had for weeks and weeks. I wrote about this earlier in this threads FIRST post as part of what we would see... in this time period, market participants were deciding the direction of gold and silver just doing nothing with it... however as we have seen, these ranges have been resolved each and every time to the downside.. and now we are getting fast and furious selling.

I invite anyone who has the time to examine charts of SLV and GLD, which for simplicity sake (and because most wont even have a futures account), will show you the points where the ranges were broke and the volume that came in with it. My hope is that you can follow along with what I am saying and see that is not just mere guess work nor luck but that trends and patterns do make themselves manifest and give early warning signs. Its all there, you just have to look for it.

At this point I will be looking for two scenarios. I will patiently wait for them. I will not get ahead and make predictions. Let me repeat again- I make my money by patiently watching and waiting for confirmation and identifying the trend. So here's what I will look for next-

1- Range bound trade at these levels. At some point, we will stop going lower, however that is not to say that the selling has stopped. so we could just trade in a very narrow range once again.

2- a retracement of the highs we were at. This is also a likely scenario, as gold and silver levitate back up. It is not uncommon for a % of the price to retrace back up. But this is why I said for you folks at home to mark these past two days on your calender. mark the high and low of these days, the prices. These WILL repeat themselves. I would not be surprised that silver and gold attempt to retrace up to those prices and then stall and fall again with heavy downside volume, setting up another leg lower. So please, I ask of you, if you see a bounce, don't get ahead of yourself and start buying. Rather reject the urge, it is not an all clear.

Time will be needed to see how much further we go to the downside. These sort of things cant be rushed. This trend will take time to play out. BTW- keep this in mind,, everyone is asking the same thing,, even on the desks, "how low will we go". Well,,,, perhaps the answer is as simple as when everyone STOPS asking this question.

I would like to see how gold reacts at 1350, 1300 and the same levels with silver at 20.

My friends, I want you to know that I do not care what you do with your money, that's your business. But I do beg of all of you to please be careful. I would hope that if I can help all of you or many of you, to avoid the common pitfalls and traps that hurt the unknowing investor and speculators, that is of buying in too soon,, that is my goal and objective.

I realize many of you are firm believers in the PMs. But I would hate to see anyone, with their hard earned money, keep buying gold and silver and I kept quiet.

I came to this coin forum because I have come back into the hobby of coin collecting. I love it, its a great escape from work. I want to learn whats out there in coins. I enjoy reading the other forums even if I don't collect those type coins. This forum is about learning and sharing. I don't know a ton of coin collecting. I am learning.

But I do know a lot and have much experience in trading commodities, currencies, stocks and bonds and I wish to share what I know works and will be of assistance to fellow collectors. I know many of you stack, and I don't object to it. I am not against PMs. I have been long gold for over a decade now. I think we all can agree that we like silver and gold :D... But my concern for my fellow collectors is that they don't get trapped by at higher levels when clearly lower prices are ahead.

SHOULD the trend change, I will see it, I will spot it. I will share with everyone what I see if things change.

Finally, whats the best that can be done now with lower prices? Well, if you MUST buy, then buy small in size, nibble. Don't go to town with all your dollars, take it slow and easy. Here's what I suggest

* first, put some money to work in gold over silver.

* look for gold and silver coins that have carried premuims and that have started to slide.

I think at the top of the list should be proof silver and gold. Pandas. Libertads. Go for the high end stuff so you can have cushion. Look for proof Buffs, proof silver and american eagles etc.


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 Posted 04/15/2013  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add harrison2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yup7676, I have tried to contact you via PM in the past...and I can understand why you wouldn't wan to be inundated with emails, still, just wanted to thank you for your honest efforts. I would like to give you a little credit for motivating me to sell a little of my non-primium silver at $27 and $28.

Thank you.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add havanacoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good advise "yup7676"
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 Posted 04/15/2013  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allspice to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks yup7676. Took a Nibble on a few Libertads, Pandas, & wildlife coins. Sure takes the pressure off, buying in pieces. Please keep us posted to any trend changes. Much appreciated!

Need some rest; totally exhausted! Figure I'll wake up to $21 silver...
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 Posted 04/15/2013  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes! I agree with high end numismatic mostly will keep their value during a down PM market.

Slabs MS-70 silver Panda and gold Panda is a good investment for me during this down period.
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 Posted 04/16/2013  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My friends, thank you for your kind comments. I really wish that those who buy, can get the most of their money as they put it into physical silver and gold.

I also think those of you purchasing the pandas as an example like allspice and others have done is a good way to put a little money into the metals, and the other coins that have that premium into them.

I believe while I was researching the other day some coins, I believe as an example, dealers that had 2012 pandas for the gold 1.10th as an example had like a 20% mark up or more if memory serves me right. That's not too shabby considering how prices have dropped for the 2013s.

I think this is the best way someone who is stacking can protect themselves and handle the risk with lower prices.

At this stage, no one knows exactly where or how far this goes. Everything will be by levels, tho there will be long term points of price that will act as support and gold and silver will be attracted to them like a magnet. Again, remember, PRICE HAS MEMORY in all assets.



With gold and silver, we are looking at two issues

1- is this a big correction in the metals?

2- AFTER a steady price is established, will it stay stagnant, such as with range bound trading or will it work itself back up?


These are two big unknowns, so it would be wise to go easy with how much money is put into the PMs. As time goes on we will have more clarity. Again, time and patience will be necessary going forward.

As a collector, I am actively watching to see what, if any proofs as an example, are dropping. I would love to perhaps get some more proof Libertads, would love to start in on adding Royal Canadian Mint pieces, such as the O Canada series, those UAE gold coins look neat, perhaps some more somalian elephant pieces, etc.
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 Posted 04/16/2013  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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As a collector, I am actively watching to see what, if any proofs as an example, are dropping.


The Mint has pulled the ASE proofs from sale for a repricing. Be interesting to see what they come back as probably at least 5 maybe 10 lower
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 Posted 04/16/2013  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Anjohl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I love it! A race to the bottom! Let's see $15/ounce by the end of the week! Chaos and discord, *always* the finest entertainment. I smell pump and dump personally, but we all know it will only be temporary. Silver snuck down to $26/oz last summer, so this is no big aberration. Come September, it will be up at $33/oz+, mark my words.

I am waiting on a quote now, I am putting all of my savings into Maples if I can get Spot+$3 or better, and my banker friend figures she can easily make that happen. This will be the day I will look back on as the turning point, where my money was made. So exciting!
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 Posted 04/16/2013  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I am waiting on a quote now, I am putting all of my savings into Maples if I can get Spot+$3 or better, and my banker friend figures she can easily make that happen. This will be the day I will look back on as the turning point, where my money was made. So exciting!


I cannot stress enough that I really really wouldnt do that.

Money is all about diversification of assets and investments. Not putting your eggs in one basket
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 Posted 04/16/2013  02:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1188howest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1/10th oz gold beavers are a safe investment over any silver premium bling.

It's a paper debt purchase for silver and gold bullion, so if you buy it now, have no regrets.
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