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Should We Still Order From RCM ?

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 Posted 11/21/2013  04:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wlouison to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just have to say, like a few others on here, I don't care at all about investing in coins. As a university student who is struggling already, I don't have the money to invest or whatever. But I don't see the point why you would want to. If you want to invest, buy bullion. Leave the NCLT for the collectors.

I will continue to buy coins from the Mint because I love their products. When I can afford to buy a coin, I treasure it. I love it. And that's the way it should be. These are collector's items, they're not $$$$$$ making items. What enjoyment is there in coin collecting if all you can think about is how much your coin is going to be worth in a month, year or ten years?

And people always mention mark-ups on silver, etc., but who really cares? It's still a much cheaper buy than any silver jewellery piece you can find (when you factor in cost and weight) and we have to think about the work that goes into producing the coin. There's a lot of wages that need to get paid in order for you to get your coin. If you don't like it, don't buy it. All of this complaining can really give someone a headache and it leaves me questioning why some people even bother collecting?

Where's the fun in coins these days? Where's the joy?

I'm a 20 year old university student who has been buying coins from the Mint for years. I don't have the luxury to buy whatever I want, and I have to be EXTREMELY choosy. I can barely afford one coin a month. I only buy 1 Oz. silver coins a couple times a year. I don't have the luxury to be able to buy all that I want, or drop tons of $$ buying 2, 3 or 4 of one coin.

But this only makes me appreciate what I have even more. I can look at the coins that I am fortunate to have and really appreciate their beauty. And I wouldn't sell any one of these for any amount of money.

And it's kind of annoying when you know people who brag about all the valuable stuff they own. Who cares?

Years ago, probably when I was 14 or so, I saved up a years worth of money from a paper route and went out and bought the very first Star Trek comic book ever. Do you know what the first thing I did with it was? Took it out of plastic and it's little 'graded' case and read it. And that's exactly how I feel about coins.

It's neat to own them, and I love that they are limited mintage, but I could care less how fast it sold out, who else has one, how much it's worth or how good/bad of an investment I made. When I buy coins the only thing I'm investing in is pure pleasure.
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 Posted 11/21/2013  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aswitzer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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 Posted 11/21/2013  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moosecountry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For me I will be reducing the number of coins I get from the RCM. I'm frustrated with the delays.

I been told that the RCM is planning on issuing 400 new coins in Canada next year. I can't imagine what the delays will be like next year.
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 Posted 11/21/2013  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@wlouison Better to compare it to a case of beer or a night at the movies. In which case a coin is much better value as you only pay once but can enjoy for the rest of your life.
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 Posted 11/21/2013  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok I think there is room for everyone here, no need to condemn others because how and why they collect.



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 Posted 11/21/2013  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with wlouison

although it doesn't mean that it could be the same attitude for all the people.
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 Posted 11/21/2013  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wlouison to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Northerncoins I totally agree that people collect for different reasons. I don't believe, though, that NCLT should be investments. Most of the time there is no return, and the price of an NCLT coin is so much more than the market value of silver and gold. I think serious investors should get bullion.

When people try to invest in NCLT they are going to get disappointed. A lot of the time, it is not a very good investment. And then people who wanted an investment get upset because their coin is worth the same ten years from now as what they paid for it. It just seems like a poor way to collect because then you are always disappointed.

I hope I wasn't one of the people you felt were condemning others. That wasn't my intention.

And with the Mint, it's a different kind of purchasing. Buying bullion you are investing in the silver or gold. When you buy from the Mint, the only investment you are really making is into the mintage. Because there are a limited number, that's where the value comes in.

I do agree with the all the stuff being said about delays. The Mint is really bad for delays. I'm still waiting for five of my 12 O Canada coins and the display box. Now I'm scared they will ship them all out in the next month (to get them shipped before Christmas as promised) and then I'll have 5 coins to deal with on my credit card. Yikes.

I guess we'll see what happens.
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 Posted 11/21/2013  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a ton of debate over whether or not investing in bullion is 'smart' too. I won't get into it but it's all over the net for anyone that wants to try to wade through it. But it definitely is not an NCLT versus bullion decision for me.

The simple fact is there is no 100% safe investment. Life and investments don't come with guarantees, period.

BTW, expect the mint to ship as much as they possibly can before Dec 31 - they want that revenue booked in 2013. Sorry about the credit card bills.
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 Posted 11/21/2013  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rick735 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with wlouison.I buy for the pure pleasure of owning them and not as an investment.I do not care if they go up in value or down in value.I have them to look at and display and to enjoy them for what they are,works of art.
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 Posted 11/21/2013  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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wlouison
I don't believe, though, that NCLT should be investments. Most of the time there is no return, and the price of an NCLT coin is so much more than the market value of silver and gold. I think serious investors should get bullion.


YOU don't believe, that it's ok as well as other people DO believe.

I recommend you to read the bullion forums, a lot of people consider that we shouldn't invest there NEITHER.


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I'm a 20 year old university student who has been buying coins from the Mint for years.


That's very cool. But I recommend you to be humble. Don't expect at 20 years old to know and have the same experience than people that have here easily 10, 20, 40 years in Numismatic.
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 Posted 11/22/2013  02:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wlouison to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@arianzo Hey, that's totally cool. I don't know anything about bullion, and always assumed it was just for investing. I was just trying to make clear that I thought NCLT is less for investing than bullion is.

And yes, this is just what I believe. I'm not trying to offend anyone. Everyone has a different reason for buying coins. I just think investing in NCLT can lead to a lot of disappointment.

And I never once said I have the same experience in this as anyone. I just know what I know, whatever that's worth. This is all just my opinion and it really doesn't matter to me if you agree or not. And why I do try to be humble, being 20 does not make me ignorant. And my grandparents were collectors so a lot of what I know comes from them.

But at the end of the day, it is just MY opinion. If I didn't have an opinion, I wouldn't have anything to share. I'm not trying to change your opinion, either. And I certainly don't wish to condemn anyone for how they collect.
I just wish there was a little more discussion about the coin itself as a piece of art than about what will be a 'hot' coin, what will sell out quick or what will be worth a lot after it sells out. I think there is more to coin collecting than investing, and sometimes getting so caught up in coin values can ruin the pleasure of seeing a beautiful coin.
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 Posted 11/22/2013  02:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wlouison to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@CC-Ottawa Thanks! I know bullion isn't perfect for investing, but I was trying to say it is more for investing than NCLT. And it is certainly advertised as being geared towards investors, whereas the Mint seems concerned with pleasing collectors.

Well, that will be a fun time for me. It wouldn't be so bad if I didn't need to pay for Term 2 tuition in January...it's much easier to pay for the coins when they are shipped at the time they are supposed to be. I'm just curious why I've received the Niagara coin and don't have my box yet. I'm still missing coins 8-12 and the box. This is giving me a headache.
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 Posted 11/22/2013  02:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is strange that they shipped the Niagara coin but not the box especially since the coin is also officially delayed - "Item 124098: Collector's box and 1/2 oz Fine Silver Coin - Niagara Falls: Late November "

Hopefully you'll get the whole set soon.

Fortunately for me, there was very little NCLT when I was in school and since I had big student loans, I wouldn't have been able to collect anyway. But it was a lot of fun back then collecting circulation coins because there wasn't a metal recovery program taking away all the old stuff. no mint website or ebay to temp me either (geesh now that I think about it, no one I knew even had a PC or had heard of the Internet. We used dumb terminals to log on to mainframes to write code ).

Best of luck collecting and studying. If you'd rather see more talk of coins (than the flipping side) my only advice is post often and steer the conversations in that direction.
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 Posted 11/22/2013  02:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wlouison to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope I get the whole set, too. I ordered the 2014 set, so it would be a shame to start getting that one without having this one complete. I really like these O Canada sets because they are pretty cheap in comparison to other coins.

And this year was my biggest year for coins. I started collecting the Lunar Lotus so I spent my summer working two jobs so I could pick up the previous releases - but now I still need the horse and just can't justify buying it until my tuition is paid. And I've been collecting the Group of Seven, but I'm still missing Jackson. I spent way more than I should've this summer on coins, and I told myself I would work on saving more money...and then they decided to release those Superman coins in September. I'm pretty much Superman's biggest fan...so I needed to get some of those.

And thanks for your kind comments to me. I've been reading this forum for a LONG time but only recently started posting here because I felt I would be taken as a little ignorant since I am not overly knowledgeable. You've made me feel welcome here!
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 Posted 11/23/2013  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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wlouison
If you want to invest, buy bullion. Leave the NCLT for the collectors.


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wlouison
@arianzo Hey, that's totally cool. I don't know anything about bullion, and always assumed it was just for investing.


Dear wlouison:

That's called incoherence. You can't suggest people to invest in bullion, if (as you have admitted) you don't know nothing about it. That's why I said you'd be more humble but in a positive way, never tried to offend you.

As CC-Ottawa said, best of luck collecting and studying and you are very welcomed here reading and posting



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