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Worn Coins Id, Masonic Stamp?

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 Posted 01/27/2014  4:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jay900 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

I have a small and very worn early Victorian coin. I am interested to know why a Masonic symbol would have been stamped on one side, along with the letters W, S and 1 1/2 value?

The second coin is larger. It has a faint shield shape on one side and a series of angles on the other.

Thank you for any help.



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 Posted 01/27/2014  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mgillette to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You will find a masonic stamp on pennies here in the US, on occasion and it does have a particular ceremonial meaning, but you'll have to find that information on your own. Cool find! WS are probably initials.
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 Posted 01/27/2014  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello and welcome. Hope we can help.

For the top coin, I'm not sure what kind of coin or token it originally was; I don't think "Victoria Regina" was ever used on any actual coinage of Britain or the colonies, but was very frequently encountered on medals and card-game counting tokens. How large is it? The British coin you've placed next to it is obverse-up, so I can't tell which denomination it is. As for the meaning of the stamp or engraving, "1 1/2" (or maybe 1 1/3) implies intended use as a token, perhaps a one-and-a-halfpenny token, or maybe a weight - there appears to be a "G" below the numbers, but I'm not sure if that "G" is engraved in, or part of the original coin/token/medal design, or simply an accidental arrangement of corrosion-spots that looks like a "G".

Your bottom coin is a 1790s tradesman token, a class of object known in America as a "Conder token", so named after an early cataloguer of such pieces. The square-shaped apparatus on the reverse is a loom. In better condition, it would have looked more like this example.
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 Posted 01/27/2014  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jay900 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Sap,

The first coin is very small, it sits next to a modern 5 pence (18 mm diameter).

The link you gave is very interesting, I would never have found it.

Thanks you very much for your reply.

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 Posted 01/27/2014  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm guessing a TO HANOVER gaming token for the Masonic-stamped coin:

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And just a guess for the initials; it might stand for the name of a lodge, but what about Widow's Son?
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 Posted 01/28/2014  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jay900 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Philadelphian, you've found it! Yes that's the coin.
Thank you for your help.
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 Posted 01/28/2014  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add peter1234 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also known as a Cumberland Jack.
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