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So Were These Barbers Worth Getting?

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 Posted 10/17/2016  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From left to right, the first two are perfect to put away in a roll, while the 1906-D is worthy of a 2x2 in my opinion.
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 Posted 10/17/2016  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
BTW
I have often found the "average Golden Retriever" to be a bit more intelligent than the average person, present company excepted, so I would never presume to speak down to one although, unlike Mr Churchill, I prefer cats.

"Always remember, a cat looks down on man, a dog looks up to man, but a pig will look man right in the eye and see his equal."
Winston S. Churchill
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10/17/2016 3:33 pm
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 Posted 10/17/2016  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tryna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
your little calculator is bogus. You do know that, right?

Your Silver value entry is New York Spot Silver price. Spot is the value of one ounce Newly Smelted Silver and IS NOT THE VALUE of the 1.851 ounces in three silver dollars. So they do not have a value of $18.93. Their MELT value is the going buy price of scrap 90% silver which at $17.45 spot per troy ounce will be a whole lot closer to $13.50
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10/17/2016 4:24 pm
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I am unclear what you tryna tell us, Tryna. Care to elaborate?
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 Posted 10/17/2016  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tryna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spot price is not synonymous with melt price.

Melt is the buy price of scrap, Spot is the sell price of .999 silver.

No one who wishes to stay in business will pay Spot price for scrap 90% silver. So the calculator shown does not give you melt price.
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In this case, "panache" = sex appeal.
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Barber halves have a Troy Ounce weight of 0.36169 troy ounces of silver. So three coins would have a Troy Ounce weight of 0.36169 * 3 or 1.08507. To use your spot price of $17.45 per Troy Ounce the three coins contain a total of (1.08507 * $17.45) $18.93 of silver.

A Barber half weighs 12.5 grams or 0.4018843 Troy ounces. As the silver content is 90% or 0.4018843 * .9 the silver content is technically 0.361696 and the copper 0.0401 (close enough, 10% of 12.5 grams in Troy ounces)

As the spot price is based on the silver content of one troy ounce of .999 silver, not the fact that it is .999 silver, where is the above calculation wrong? If, as you may be implying, we are basing the weight of the junk silver on the total coin weight and not 90% of the coin weight or, alternatively we were basing it on the avoirdupois ounce instead of the Troy ounce I would agree with you. But the above figures are accurate and I don't see how you arrive at your values

Also I checked five different sources and all define "melt value" as spot price times the weight in troy ounces. If you have a different definition can you source it?

And I am not in the silver business but if I was I would be looking to pay scrap price which as you mention is lower. Melt price is, to me, what they would reasonably sell for retail ( ebay or other source) not what a refiner would pay that is scrap price
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To answer your question another way I essentially paid $5 per coin.

Could I go into business paying $5 per Barber half dollar, or essentially $100 for a roll of 20 I could easily flip on ebay for $150?

Anytime you want to sell me 1,000 Barber halves for $5,000 I would be willing to risk it.
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I'd probably would have done the same thing as the OP. They aren't really in a collectable condition but the price was right so I likely would have gotten them too.
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In this case, "panache" = sex appeal.


Ribbit!
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I do a lot of metal detecting and one of the places a lot of detectorists send their silver and gold finds (mainly jewelry) is Midwest Refineries. They pay 90-95% of the silver/gold value whereas most of the local jewelry stores and we buy gold places are in the 40-70% range last time I checked. Right on their home page is a box with the current spot prices with a clear indication that it is the baseline price for the percentage they pay. So when a major refinery pays a high percentage based on the spot price it is "melt" value for our purposes.

http://www.midwestrefineries.com/
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 Posted 10/18/2016  10:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tryna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Saruma.

So at the sight Saruma supplied they pay

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90% of the amount of pure
silver contained in your order for sterling silver and 90% coin silver


so at your number for spot $17.45 troy

The melt value is $15.71 troy

This is why I say your calculator is bogus. You are starting with the wrong number.
My number of $13.50 for three halves is what a local silver buyer is paying.

Once you pay shipping to Midwest Refiners I would think you would be closer to my number than yours.

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From the glossary here
melt
Slang term for the intrinsic value of a particular numismatic item.
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wow!

I do not even know how to respond to this.
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 Posted 10/18/2016  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jaxenro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Call it closed then. I'm not sure why you raised the issue in the first place and then included the dog remark and the part about me getting bit. To issue a proactive warning to someone who had never interacted with you before seemed a bit odd to me anyway

I have been referring to "melt" value for 20 years and your the first person to ever question the definition I use. As it states on Coincommunity.com, the #1 internet based coin discussion board, it is a slang term not an official unit of measure.
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