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@GERMANICVS

yes they are !
the Frankfurt piece is so beautiful the details of the OBV are amazing
quite unique for German coins I am not aware of other countries in the same epoch that did the same
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I posted these images in another thread as well, maybe superfluous to post again, but this 1642 Reichstaler from Augsburg (Augusta vendelicorum) fits well with some other gems


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I don't know if these german Konventionstaler in my collection can be called gems or rarities, but to me they are
They look fantastic to me.
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A few more crowns for your viewing
1733MXF She still looks good after spending 250 plus years on the bottom of the ocean. Salvaged by Stefan Sykora from the "Coffin's Patch" off the Florida Keys.
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The elusive 1772 MoMF. This coin is extremely hard to find in nice condition. Less than 10 total between NGC and PCGS and several of the NGC coins are 1772MoFM coins incorrectly graded and encapsulated by the TPG as 1772MoMF

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Beautiful 1754 Lima Pillar Dollar. Love this design

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very nice coins, jfransch !

8R are not my field at all, so I enjoy learning about this field browsing in CCF
(interesting discussions about origin of 8R pieces and how to determine originality)

can you explain the pillar scene with land in between on the OBV side of coin1 and 3?
originally the pillars were symbolising land S and N of the strait of Gibraltar right? (Hercules legend)
apparently the idea has changed, because on the coins there is a mountain in the middle; is this Mexico?
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cableguy815 Sorry to hear about the missed Basel double thaler,i know the feeling!On the other hand ,the double ducaton !

1c5d7n5m Awesome coins!I find the leicester daalder brilliant even with the small flaws.Not everyone owns a unique or extremly rare coin!Also the 1733/34 ducatons are very rare in that condition.My 1733 looks better than the pictures I've posted but it's no match to yours!

GERMANICVS Very nice coins, especially the city view thaler!Why wouldn't be gems?They're great!

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Here's some more light weight crowns!Pretty sure we'll see some Lösers/multiple thalers soon and I'm just going to wait and enjoy the show after this post!

Ecu, Brabant, Filip II, 1558, 33,7 gr

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West Friesland ducaton, probably 1666

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1665 LW Brunswick Calenberg Hannover thaler, obv. graffiti
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5 lei 1906, Romania,40th Anniversary Carol I,(200.000 mintage, but hard to find in a good condition)
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Everyday a pleasure to view everybody's newly-posted crowns. Very nice, all!

Here are two Ecu de Six Livres struck by the Convention Nationale in France in 1793 during the 'Reign of Terror'.
Ecus minted at Paris (mintmark A) are the type most commonly encountered.
Other mints are scarcer.


Ecu de 6 Livres - Minted at Lyon:

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Ecu the 6 Livres - Minted at Lille:

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"You asked "
"can you explain the pillar scene with land in between on the OBV side of coin1 and 3?
originally the pillars were symbolising land S and N of the strait of Gibraltar right? (Hercules legend)
apparently the idea has changed, because on the coins there is a mountain in the middle; is this Mexico?"

The image on the reverse (the date side with the pillars is the coin's reverse) represent the Crown of Spain ruling over both the New World, the Old World and the oceans as symbolized by the two images of the globe on top of the ocean between the Pillars of Hercules. Add in the words "Plus Ultra" meaning "And Beyond" (further beyond) and the full meaning becomes "Spain is ruler of the Old World, the New World, and everything beyond the Mediterranean Sea (which was designated as ending at the Pillars of Hercules)
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hello paulCT,

thanks for your comments about the two Leicesterdaalders

The Overijssel coins (1595 - Delm.908 - R3) are a bit odd:
* the province of Overijssel was the last of the 7 provinces to mint these coins (type 2 only), whereas the other provinces started minting in 1587.
** the coin shown above is funny with a "ruined face" and an arrow bundle that is not correctly positioned. quite interesting, maybe there is a reason for this sloppiness; maybe I am not alone thinking that the Leicesterdaalders and Leicesterrealen were the most perfected taler-type coins between 1560 and 1600 in the Netherlands: planchets as regular as can be and careful design of the dies, especially the face of the duke. Overijssel seems an exception.

I know of two other 1595 Overijssel coins, both are more "regular" Leicesterdaalders because the arrows point into the text. One is in the Deventers Museum (see below). Perhaps one of the CCF members knows if other coins exist of this type?

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direct comparison of the two coins from Overijssel; there are quite a few differences in the dies; not the position of the sword tip ; also the word CRESC UNT is written in full in the left (deviating) type, normally it is abbreviated CRES or CRESC depending on the province

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for comparison with "regular" type 2 coins from the other provinces
Holland (left) and Zeeland (right) pictures taken from the internet from public auctions from the last 10 years

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@jfransch: thanks for the explanation, fantastic to learn about the rich symbols on important types of coins - this forum is fun
@GERMANICUS: you have got a series of interesting pieces, the 6 livres seem also highly symbolic, the female/angle is writing constitution
@paulCT: the philipsdaalders (ecu Philippe) where the heavyweight silver pieces of the 16th century and some were really well made
the ones I love most were made around 1575 in Bruges, Flanders
In 1558, the date of your coin, Philip was ruler over the 17 provinces of the Netherlands, north and south; 8 years later the troubles started and the region ended up split in North and South (more or less current Holland and Belgium), although large pieces of the southern flemish lands are now part of France.
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