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1c5d7n5m You're right it's an interesting coin but it lacks the details on the obverse so I'm looking to buy a better grade one. As far as I know there's also 3,4 and 8 brothers, saxony/saxe weimer types.Personally I like the brunswick 'wildman' thalers and the mansfeld 'st george' ones!Very nice ducaton and well preserved!I have a 1665,philip IIII,brabant,piece!

1c5d7n5m There's one particular ducaton that I'm trying to find in a decent condition and that's the Charles II, Milan mint,1676.In my opinion the Brunswick and Mansfeld one's are a bit rare in good grades and even the worn pieces are expensive compared to other thalers,like the austrian Ferdinand II(n.d types)or the 3 brothers ones.Last year for example I was offered a very rare mansfeld 1631 death thaler for 100£ but because from time to time I act like a retard I refused to buy it and I've been regretting ever since.Also I lost an auction for an 1613 wildman thaler with a misspelled legend(HOENSTUM PRO PATRIA instead of HONESTUM PRO PATRIA)which might be a very rare error!Sad memories!!

1c5d7n5m I have seen the Coinfactswiki page regarding this ducaton and I agree that 200 euros is very cheap!If you were referring to the 100£ I was asked for the mansfeld thaler you are right, it looks suspicios,but the coin was genuine.The dealer sells a large amount of coins weekly and had no idea about the value of the coin so he asked 100£ as it was a large crown!I said i'll buy it next week because I was sure nobody will buy it since most of the collectors in UK are into english, ancient coins.I'm very aware and worried about the frauds.I'd say we get less than the ancient coinage case but nevertheless, attention,patience and a certain level of experience is needed.Last year I had 2 fake thalers,the style was spot on,right weight but they were made of steel so I went for the refund!

Nice item, but am I the only one who hopes that the Elizabethan collar never comes back into fashion?

Wow; that's a great looking 8R.

PaulCT - Nice Thaler! I've been chasing this Augsburg variant for a good while now. Higher grades like yours are hard to come by and can get pricey.

I bid and lost on this in Nov. I believe my Max was 700EUR and it hammered for 1,000EUR.



I did however just win a 1640 one in a foreign auction for 600EUR - I think it was an OK price. I'll know better when it arrives, which should be soon.

This is what I won. Not the best pic, sorry.



About the ping test - I feel this kind of old silver never sounds quite like what you'd expect. In my experience the sound is often times deeper/more hollow. I don't see much in your Thaler to suspect it's authenticity. If it's not a secret, what'd you pay for it?

As for my Ducaton, it arrived yesterday. I posted it here first because I had some small doubts about it's authenticity. I'll repost here once I feel more certain it is authentic.

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