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cableguy815 I've checked your ducaton and it looks legit to me.If you check page 13 you'll see I have a similar one but the condition is not great.I paid 50 euros for mine so I think it's a fair price since is very unlikely to land a decent silver rider for less than 150!I have five in my collection, and one of them , the 1666 west friesland(also posted here)has an awful sound when ping tested.Coming back to my thaler, it has the right parameters but even so I tend to be skeptical as a result of previous negative experiences with some very well made forgeries.I can share the prices for each of my coins without a problem.For this one I've paid 180 euros plus 12 euros postage, the amount being an accepted offer.

cableguy815 You are right,these are very expensive in top grades!Because my budget is very limited I cannot afford to offload more than 200/month on coins unless it's a great deal so I spend quite a few hours a day looking for bargains.It's been rewarding so far, at least in my case.For instance I paid a similar price for my first coin posted here, the 1645 GN thaler, which is 6000 in vf, and also very rare. Furthermore I haven't shown yet the rarest coin that I have, again a major bargain.Most likely, tones of hours of research equals great rewards!I know the story with the ducatons and I understand your concern but this one looks alright.Hopefully someday i'll manage to get a VOC one!!

Paul, in light 1c5s points, I did a bit more digging and I suspect 1c5s is correct. I will elobarate in greater detail on my findings when I get off work, but in the meantime, what is the weight of your coin? I suspect the coin on numista's site is a clone of yours and is also probably a forgery.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces31034.html

From digging, what I was able to observe is that the 1639 and 1640 years of this Augsburg thaler are a bit different on on the reverse (city view side). Most notably, the cherub has more of a "baby face" look as can be seen in your Thaler and my 1640 variant below (which finally came today!! )




Also, as 1c5 pointed out below, the crosslet on the 4 is different in the 1640 thaler as compared to the rest in the series (1642 - 1645). In 1641 it looks like a new variant was introduced with minor tweaks, a couple of which I mentioned above, but not before the previous dies were used to produce some 1641 thalers. It would be great to substantiate my above observations with some literature but I wasn't able to do so.

So as 1c5 correctly states, either your variant is a forgery or there are indeed two die variants.
Having done more digging, I lean towards the latter. And here is why.

I was able to dig a large number (I found at least 30 without looking too hard) of the supposed fake 1641 variant sold in the past few years alone by some of the most reputable German auction/dealers, many of which I've dealt with. I guess that's possible; but how likely is it that so many assessors were wrong about this coin?

Secondly, looking at the Stacks & Bowers MS62 certified sample 1c5 posted here - https://d3k6u6bv48g1ck.cloudfront.n...TtJtvw6B.jpg or this high grade sample here -
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=474771 I get comfort in the authenticity of this variant as at least in one instance, a TPG also agrees this to be an authentic variant.

Lastly, looking at this 1640 thaler found on NGC's coin price guide and the 1641 Stacks & Bowers MS62 certified sample 1c5 posted, you can actually see the dies deteriorate over time.




So my suggestion is weigh your coin. If it's in the range of 29 or grams you can sleep well. Anyway, that's my 2 cents for what it's worth.

cableguy815,1c5d7n5m

First of all guys I want to thank you for your research.Hopefully we'll manage to solve the mystery behind this coin.As soon as I had it I started to check for similar ones,just to see how the market goes.The first that I found was the one posted in Numista which also looked suspicious.There's quite a few sold by famous auction houses and some still available online, plus that one(S&B) graded by NGC, so it's hard for me to believe that this variant is in fact a forgery but I'm not yet 100%.The taler sold by Kunker a few months ago is being described as ''Reichstaler 1641 (year changed in stamp from 1639)''which might be relevant in this case.My digital scale is damaged so I'm not sure about the weight but I've seen pieces from 28.4gr to 29.2gr being described as genuine.Promise to come back with the parameters!Thank you for your time again!

Seeing how active this thread is, I also decided to share some of the crowns from my collection. I focus mainly on 19-20th centuries, but also have a few earlier.
Let's start with the two German colonies that issued crown sized coins:
German East Africa 2 rupien from 1893 and German New Guinea 5 mark from 1894, the latter being one of my favorite crown designs ever.

In German New Guinea prior to 1894 all coins, both German marks and foreign were being either exported or hoarded by locals and due to lack of currency in 1984 special New Guinea Mark was introduced which was forbidden to export. All foreign currencies, except for German Mark were forbidden as well.

Since it was a privately owned colony, the image of German imperial eagle or Emperor was not allowed on the coins. That's why the bird of paradise was chosen for the reverse.

You should be, that's super nice!

beem, wow, I love the design and its beautiful! Another thing to add to my list of to gets one day!

However I have a question, this coin is actually on ebay for sale....