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Untoned Vs. Original Skin: Pros And Cons Please

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 Posted 10/25/2018  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add llewellin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My favorite is the circulation cameo look on old silver, so much so that I only look for coins that have it. Dark fields and slightly lighter on the high points from normal handling long ago
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I like the toning on the Trade dollar, but as it was pointed out, the strike is far better on the other option
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I like VF-to-XF coins that are dark in the low areas and show natural silver coloration from wear in the high areas. It gives them really nice contrast. This is usually best on Flowing Hair, Capped Bust, Seated Liberty, Morgans, Barbers, etc. ... IMO

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A picture is worth a thousand words:
Untoned-Vs.-Original-Skin:-Pros-And-Cons-Please
1944-S Mercury Dime by CaptainFwiffo, on Flickr
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Quote:
A picture is worth a thousand words:
And a thousand drops of drool.
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I can appreciate your confusion Sharkman. One wants to purchase coins that they themselves appreciate, as well as others, because you may want to sell one day.

I think there is clearly a balance here. No one wants a bright white dipped coin if it is obviously worn at all (AU and under grade) because that looks wholly unoriginal. But overly dark toning loses eye appeal even on higher grade examples.

Personally, I don't like the reverse on CaptainFwiffo's 44-S Mercury dime. Obverse looks phenomenal, but I find the toning on the reverse to be so extreme as to obscure the surface features.

I've been considering this 28-D, which looks to be in AU grade but has some pretty significant toning on the obverse. Any lower grade on this and I know the toning would bother me, but on this AU it seems ok and with so many over dipped coins on the market, this is nice to see.

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Untoned-Vs.-Original-Skin:-Pros-And-Cons-Please

Based on the link that John1 provided (thanks!), PCGS would likely say this obverse has below average to negative eye appeal. [https://www.PCGS.com/eyeappeal]

However, I see hints of circulation cameo (llewellin had a comment about this effect) and at this grade it just looks so much more "original" than much of what is out there for sale. I like "crusty" coins like this because this just speaks to vintage-ness or antique-ness.

Regarding the Trade dollar thread. I agree with some others that is is somewhat hard to compare as Liberty's head has so much more wear on the toned coin than on the un-toned coin. I think grade should be the primary consideration, then once you've settled on the grade you are looking for, toning/"original skin" is the secondary consideration.
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I like custry coins, but the 28d is crusty with no eye appeal. If you ever go to sell the coin, it will have a narrow field of possible buyers. On the positive side, it does look orginal.
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