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 larsjan fingers crossed. If Stack's is looking at it, then some of the top experts in the world are also seeing it in hand, people like John Kraljevich, Dave Bowers, Eric Goldstein, John Agre, C4 members/experts in the New York area, etc. Please continue to let us know as you hear if, and I hope when, this coin is announced as a real NE 3 pence we can all celebrate with you. Something this expensive and ground breaking is going to take time, I think the longer it takes, the better, as any outright fake would have been immediately dismissed as such and a real one is going to need serious vetting by numerous experts in the field. Covid-19 of course is slowing all that down I'm sure. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
04/16/2021 9:44 pm
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I think the longer it takes, the better, as any outright fake would have been immediately dismissed as such and a real one is going to need serious vetting by numerous experts in the field. I hope it turns out to be real. |
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I don't think they are grading from pictures. Neither do so called experts. No one ever said anything about grading from pictures. But the experts WOULD want to see images first to determine if there was a possibility and whether or not it was worth going further. |
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Well said.  |
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@larsjan, I am personally very excited about this coin! Please do not let uncalled for criticism keep you from posting about this! I've gone through a LOT of popcorn waiting for the outcome!!  |
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I've really enjoyed following this thread over the last year or so, larsjan. Share what you feel comfortable sharing whenever you think it's appropriate, it's fun being "on the inside" as you work through the process.
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@That Coin Dude: I've been buying & selling Colonials for 50 years now; everyone I showed pics of that to laughed. "Found in Europe", found in Mexico-doesn't matter. A few people I know can effect the wear and toning as seen on that coin in 10 minutes (and will pass 3PG)-no joke. I want to see genuine, not contrived, scrapes-pinning-dents-etc on a circ. NE piece. That's what they did with weird, unrecognizeable Silver minors that look like worn-out discs. The punches seem for all the world to be fabricated. They just do not match-up.
When I mention 'contrived', one has just to examine the splits in the flan. Too much "wear" for the purported grade (nevermind that they don't look quite right...)
This is NOT an indictment of the OP-far from it. I had a Higley that everyone and their brother declared counterfeit (although that was mpossible) except for Stack's. They sold it raw for a really nice 5 figures.. They DO know what they are doing at Stack's. Kevin's there now-you have the Best Brain Trust for Colonial coins in the World looking at the coin...
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04/17/2021 11:53 pm
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This popped up today on the Newman Numismatic Portal. Not quite this coin, but a similar situation, a possibly unique (or at least a second one) N.E. small planchet Pine Tree Shilling is the coin in question, and Eric Newman through correspondence with the 4 partner owners their dealer and several numismatists go through the steps in trying to authenticate it. Shows how difficult it can be. It's a roller coaster ride through the various letters and emails. https://archive.org/details/epnbox1...n17/mode/2up"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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everyone I showed pics of that to laughed To be fair, that also happened with the newly(ish) discovered 54-S $5. And look what happened there. |
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Thanks guys!
I will just keep posting the updates here if there are any.
It's all very exciting, sometimes I wish I had never found the coin, just to get rid of the tension.
Everyone has every right to their opinion regarding this coin.
I myself have a lot of confidence in it.
It is always difficult to authenticate something so unique, I have been in the antiques trade for a long time and have had several special pieces in my hands.
Opinions of various experts will always diverge, sometimes because of jealousy, sometimes because they have a different interest, sometimes because they disapprove the object as a precaution because they do not dare to burn their fingers on it, sometimes because they just do not know.
But gladly there are a lot of experts who do know and will give their honest opinion.
I do know that Stack's has a lot of in-house expertise, this is not just any auction house. This is one that has long proven itself with their expertise.
The coin is now so far in the process that if it was a fake or fabricated or tampered with example, they would have seen this for a long time and would not put any further valuable time into it.
I believe in these people and in the coin and will continue to do so.
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Thank you for keeping us updated despite the naysayers and your own misgivings, it is allowing us the vicarious excitement without the stresses you are doubtlessly feeling. For myself at least I know this is as close as I'll probably ever get to finding such a coin- but you never know and that's why we're all nuts searching through millions of little metal disks  I am looking forward to the outcome for sure but also enjoying the ride! |
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"To be fair, that also happened with the newly(ish) discovered 54-S $5. And look what happened there..." *** Edited by Staff to add Quote tags. Please use them in the future. ***A U.S. Mint and milled coin is faaaar different from that of a coin "minted" with no known specs (in fact, one time an 1836 $2 1/2 Classic came acros the counter, VF-ish. The "Geniuses at work" tried to Test it's Gold Content, and it kept coming up 'bad' The coin was 100% Genuine-I could see that from the Mint milling of the edge). That said, of course no one I shared the pics with has seen the OP's item in hand. I'm a fan; if it is Genuine I hope he receives 7-figures for it Edited by whatdowehavehere
04/22/2021 4:39 pm
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To larsjan: just as a Time Caution: Stack's may sit on it until some West Coast experts of Massachusetts Silver can see it. It's like either a million bucks or bupkis for it, so they will do their due dilligence. It could take a year. If they can match the Specific Gravity or the Spectral Analysis to the MHS specimen, then there ya go for a Good Start!
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04/22/2021 4:59 pm
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to Editor: I'd do that, but I don't know how on here
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A U.S. Mint and milled coin is faaaar different from that of a coin "minted" with no known specs I think you misunderstand my point. The original owner of the new 54-S half eagle was repeatedly told it couldn't be real because it was so rare that there was a 0% chance it could be genuine. It was later certified genuine. My point is, if you only believe a coin cannot be genuine because it's rare, than you ignore the possibility is it genuine. |
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