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First, a 1581 groschen of the City of Riga:
Fantastic!
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Yes, glad to have you back posting here @para!

Styria 1 Kreuzer 1581:
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I've also got a Lorraine 2 denier for 1581 (my manual photo technique isn't great for snall coins):
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Navarre-Bearn 1 Franc 1582:

I meant to comment earlier on that interesting coat of arms with a very busy left side and nearly empty right!.

1580 Lithuanian 3 groschen.
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The coins I've been posting with Stefan Bathory's portrait are a bit tyricky to assign to a country. At this time (1580s) the kingdom of Poland and the grand duchy of Lithuania were joined together as the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Livonia was also a fief of the PLC. The legends on the coin's reverse identify them to use in one of the three places (Poland, Lithuania or Livonia).
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First, a 1581 groschen of the City of Riga:

What are those black marks on the reverse about.
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What are those black marks on the reverse about

In the past (like before 1900) collectors used to write their inventory numbers on the coin just like that. Suspect that might be it. Example: https://numismaticaranieri.it/image...200_570.jpeg
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inventory numbers


I agree--one or two of mine have similar ink marks.
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Sweden Half Ore 1580:

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In the past (like before 1900) collectors used to write their inventory numbers on the coin just like that.
Almost looks like it's not on the coin. but that makes sense.
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Belgium 16 Sols 1579:

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Inventory number makes sense for the small black numbers.

1579 groschen of Gdansk, far and away my best portait coin of Stefan Bathory:
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This 1580 Dutch jeton depicts the failed peace negotiations between the Dutch and Spain during the 80 years' war.
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Obverse: The pope and the king of Spain offer an olive branch to trap the Dutch lion with the collar of inquisition; LIBER · REVINCIRI · LEO · PERNEGAT · (The free lion refuses to be conquered again)

Reverse: smoothed and engraved STEVEN EGBERTSEN. Original reverse: A mouse tries to free the lion from the collar of inquisition; ROSIS · LEONEM · LORIS · MVS · LIBERAT (The mouse frees the lion from ties by gnawing) 1580

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1580 Dutch jeton depicts the failed peace negotiations between the Dutch and Spain


So many neat tokens with political themes from that part of the world!
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Fantastic examples posted over the weekend!

We are now ready for 1578.
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