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Fake Roman? And Thoughts On Replicas

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 Posted 11/27/2024  7:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Coinaholic73 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just gone through a big batch of tokens/medallions and pulled out several of the usual WRL replica roman types as well as new ones I've not seen before marked either 'R' or Meku NP75. These seem to be higher quality, are these collectable in their own right?

There was about 40 total in the lot, and knowing the rest were clearly replicas I 99.9% assume this is too, but it feels more 'real' in hand. That might be brass/copper showing through on some wear on the obverse but I'm impressed by the reverse and what appears normal wear on the details of a silver coin - quite scary really. I take it this is clearly fake to the trained eye?




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 Posted 11/27/2024  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's a silver denarius of Vespasian. In my opinion it just doesn't look right.
1. You could weigh it, see if it's within the range of genuine Roman silver denari.
2. Hold a magnet close to it, if it 's magnetic it's fake.
3. If there is a coin store near you and they have an XRF, they could test it for you to see
how much silver it has.
4. You could check this site, lists recorded fake ancient coins, see if there's
a match there.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/
5. If you can see copper underneath a outer layer it's either a modern fake or an ancient
counterfeit called a fourree.
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11/28/2024 06:51 am
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 Posted 11/27/2024  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arkadyn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does Not look real
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 Posted 11/27/2024  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well what is most odd is the scraping with like a pin on both sides. Like a bad cleaning job. Below is a search set up for this issue. You won't find another with that harsh cleaning look.

https://www.acsearch.info/search.ht...=usd&order=1

You would need to give a weight and show the edge. I won't discredit the piece before then. Is there marker hand written above Vespasians head like a museum piece might have, even if fake from the 19th century? And the letters can be soft sometimes. Like below.

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8553766

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This is a replica as well. The style, especially of the lettering, is incorrect.

Here's a sample of legitimate examples here: https://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.2_1(2).ves.546
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And here are other examples from the Forvm fake reports....

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These were originally made of brass and were part of a series given away with Nescafe instant coffee in Germany during the 1970s. They were marked with "NP75" (see below). Somebody made a cast and removed the "NP75" and these have then been made in "Silver"

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Thanks Martin - great sleuthing!

Although it turns out I'm blind, as just behind the throne/chair leg is the word 'MEKU' Time to invest in a microscope!
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maridvnvm, Thanks for confirming it's not genuine.
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Well done, Martin!
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 Posted 11/28/2024  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reverse legend is PONTIF MAXIM....
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