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What Happens To Gold And Silver Next? Look Out Below?

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 Posted 01/06/2014  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
working on an update for the thread here and about 5 mins ago, we had a flash crash or some crazy crazy price action where GLD dropped 3 pts in a blink of an eye...


update coming.
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 Posted 01/11/2014  6:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok I want to bring this up to speed.

First lets talk a little about gold. On 12/31 we gold drive lower, in face it appeared that the yearly low would be touched. In fact it came within roughly within 9 dollars of the yearly low. It proceeded to bounce off that and stayed higher.




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Some traders are calling already for a double bottom. Others tend to favor a counter trend move. There is a lot of talk that because sentiment is so negative on gold that all this is contributing to a turn around in the trend.

To me, I try to tune out just about everything and always look at price as my primary indicator. Experience tells me that anything is possible but that trends dont just turn instantly either. Also, vicious counter trends are entirely possible in downtrends. Markets can and will fool everyone.


Looking at our proxy GLD, we can see how price bounced near the yearly low and hasn't really looked back since. There's many a trader who says gold has put a bottom in because the yearly low held. I say its still way too early to call that. First lets see how gold does with overhead supply, which there is going to be a lot of it in terms of price. Keep an eye and see how gold fares at the levels where the green and white arrows are.

I wouldnt be surprised that shortly gold gets smacked down hard again and settles into yet another boring range full of chop. Lets watch, wait and see what happens. IF this indeed where gold stops going down, the coming months will bring us more clarity that will put that more as something solid and probable.



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Silver is in the exact same shape. bouncing hard after coming close to its yearly lows. bouncing hard and higher and remaining higher from its low it touched on 12/31. Again tho the same applies here : supply, in terms of price is something it will have to overcome and stay above to make this move stick. The ranges are very clear here as can be seen in the chart. Once again, watch to see if silver and head into the range where the green arrow is at.

So the waiting game continues. Are the lows in for silver and gold? Are we going to blast off mode? Lets be clear: gold and silver remain in primary downtrends, nothing at all has changed. To get above these levels, it will take a ton of work. Can they put the work in? They can, but it is on the buyers to prove that. So remain patient and continue to wait until we get more clarity on where gold and silver want to go.
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 Posted 01/11/2014  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fistfulladirt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've been getting used to the Monday smackdown for a while now.
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 Posted 01/11/2014  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you think it would be wise to wait and purchase gold coins? Will the premiums on the older gold coins drop to more reasonable levels?

I am not in a rush to buy gold, my budget doesn't allow for it at this time. I am trying to get a simple answer, if there is one.

-MV

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 Posted 01/11/2014  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd wait.

I think prices aren't going to get much higher, and that's more time to set aside some good money for such a purchase without messing up your finances.
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 Posted 01/11/2014  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Will the premiums on the older gold coins drop to more reasonable levels?


Spot price looks like it will likely drop, so then the question will become what coins you had in mind. Things is strong numismatic premiums probably wont be affected much by the price drop since the economy plays a bigger role in their pricing. Bullion or coins whose main value is the metal content probably will keep coming down in price.
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 Posted 01/11/2014  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The gold coins I am looking at adding to my collection would be a couple of common date Double Eagles, maybe an Eagle or two.

I know there are series and coins where numismatic premium trumps gold content like the 3 dollar gold pieces.

Are the Indian $10 gold coins likely to fall in the numismatic premium versus the gold content?

I realize I am asking a lot of questions.

-MV
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 Posted 01/11/2014  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Itll all depend on the condition for them. Both can have significant premiums in the right grade for all years. Id say as a general rule anything under probably 1400-1500 for a 1 oz gold coin would see prices fall if spot moved down. The closer their current price is to spot the more likely theyd drop too.
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 Posted 01/12/2014  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Meadowview

I think you give it a bit here before buying. I do agree that many numismatic pieces arent really getting pushed down price wise with gold and silver prices but I then again you know it varies from coin to coin.

I have seen coins drop 10-20% and others even more. However, I have seen coins that had dropped by almost 40% and now have recovered half of that.

So theres no doubt in my mind that silver and gold prices are impacting all type coins, to what degree depends on what type coin they are, the demand for the coin etc.

I would say if you can, be patient and start recording prices and just watch, observe. I been doing that with the ones I am stalking.

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 Posted 01/12/2014  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fistfulladirt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gold and silver prices seem completely detatched from demand. Why is that?
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 Posted 01/12/2014  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@fistfull

not sure I understand what you are saying. Gold and silver, are commodities. As such, they work on the simple principle of supply and demand.

Prices have fallen because there has been no demand for PMs at those prices.

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 Posted 01/13/2014  05:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fistfulladirt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Prices have fallen because there has been no demand for PMs at those prices.
@Yup,I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. China buying 100's maybe 1,000's of MT's of gold per month? My LCS never has any silver in stock, he sells to walk-ins as soon as he buys...US Mints delaying 2014 products, and all-time high sales the last few months...so, I don't get it.
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 Posted 01/13/2014  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@fistfull

Again, its all about supply and demand. Its clear you cant go by what you are reading because it doesn't equate into price.

When in doubt, always go by the price action.
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 Posted 01/14/2014  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Around here the supply of Gold and Silver is very high. I have had the same Gold coins on the shelf for months, and so have the other three shops in the area. Silver? Well there has been some demand, but it is waaaaaaaaaay down. It has been before Christmas since someone wandered in and wanted some silver. I didn't even do the Christmas rounds this year. NO demand. My refiner is NOT taking orders right now. He has ingots sitting in inventory untouched. China buying metric tons per month? From where? All time high sales the last few months? The Mint reported 1.2m ASE in December and 2.3m ASE in November, THE LOWEST number minted for those months in recent years. This years ASE total is higher than last years. However; that was because of the huge demand in the months after the huge drops. Everyone wanted to get in before it went back up. Now we are seeing that the lower prices are the norm and demand is down.
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 Posted 01/14/2014  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.kitco.com/news/2014-01-0...Of-2014.html

Maybe the US buyer don't see the demand as China or India do?
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