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2021 Peace And Morgan Dollars!

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 Posted 08/10/2021  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnsolaris to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

a quick follow-up question on the Morgan & Peace dollars. why were these coins not put on enrollment ? that seems the way to go. sorry if this has already been answered.
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08/10/2021 11:08 pm
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 Posted 08/10/2021  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pmint1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pre-order vs limited
The mint website shows the last 4 dollars earmarked "pre-order" and the cc and o as "limited".
Does anyone know what the difference means?
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 Posted 08/10/2021  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreeMonkey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi folks. Been a while since I last posted but I do check in from time to time to make sure everyone is behaving themselves ;-).

So I was able to purchase 3 each of the Morgan and Peace dollars today and was wondering how to go about possibly trading some for the other flavors of the Morgan. Ideally, I'd like to trade 2 Morgans (p) and 2 Peace (p) for a Morgan CC, O, D & S. Even trade 4 for 4 (among several collectors, of course, assuming it's an even trade). Is this even allowed here? I don't have quite enough posts to post in the buy/sell section although I don't see any trades going on there. What's the best approach or am I just dreaming?

Edit: OK, I found the Trade section. Suppose that's my best bet once I get enough posts (member for 10 years though).
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08/11/2021 12:31 am
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 Posted 08/11/2021  02:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ibagli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hate how the site has worked for these releases, and I don't think it's acceptable as such, but in my heart I think the only actual solution would be for the Mint to sell things at the actual market price. Just imagine how mad we'd all be about that. There's always going to be a de facto lottery with people left out in the cold when you throw open the doors to sell 200,000 widgets to people willing to buy 600,000 of them at your sale price. I'd prefer to base that lottery on something more efficient and transparent than the death throes of a web server, but there are going to be losers here no matter what.
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08/11/2021 02:43 am
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 Posted 08/11/2021  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Raised on rock to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The mint director is probably reading this thread right now and laughing his buns off.
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 Posted 08/11/2021  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincollector123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Mint to sell things at the actual market price.


The only thing that would do is make the collectors market decrease as people don't always want to pay secondary market price. The Mint would have an excess of coins as not everyone wants to pay 400 for a CC Morgan or even 180 for a P or Peace. Which could cause 2 things.
1- the Mint sells at a discount to vendors the extra and the mass number of coins brings the market value down. People's response would be wait until this happens, and it's a vicious downhill cycle from there.
Or
2- the Mint destroys the extra making the ones sold it which would decrease total number out there and drive the market price up...

Best way is to fix this is to Mint to demand. But even that causes issues with supply. Where do I cut other products to fulfill demand of this product.

Something has to give.
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 Posted 08/11/2021  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just because some people were fine with the Mint's Terrible, Very Unprofessional, Disgraceful Site, Does not call for Mean, Comments.!!!!! I am NOT !!! PS, I have ordered ALL I wanted to order !!!!!!!!Just not a Kind, Nice comment, Actually, RUDE !!!!!!!
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08/11/2021 10:20 am
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 Posted 08/11/2021  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add msl2196 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I have procured a 2011 25TH ASE empty box for cheap! Since the lettering is raised I will have to sand down the wording. Now do I want to sand down the logo and see if I can reapply the logo as laser etched? and then silver filled. Also I hope the felt padding will be a clean removal... as if I am going to paint it black, then I will need to do it correctly.


@coincollector123

That's an interesting idea. You may want to consider two things, though:

1. The Morgans are .858 oz. of silver and the ASE's are 1 oz. of silver--despite both having 99.9% silver content. Thus, the Morgans should be smaller than the ASE's and may not fit correctly. (On that note, I'm not sure whether the 2021 Morgan is the same size as the 1921 Morgan, as they have different silver content but also different composition).

2. If you're trying to sell the set, some collectors may actually want the OGP, by virtue of the fact that it is the original packaging, even if it's poorly made. So you might want to include the new boxes anyway even if you make a better one.

Just my Two Cents...
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 Posted 08/11/2021  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carlp007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Received my order has been confirmed email
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 Posted 08/11/2021  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EDM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems like it would be easier to make a set holder out of plexiglass that holds the Airtites for dollars. The new 2021 Morgan and Peace dollars are 38.1mm diameter, exactly the same as the old ones.
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08/11/2021 11:24 am
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 Posted 08/11/2021  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincollector123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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That's an interesting idea. You may want to consider two things, though:

1. The Morgans are .858 oz. of silver and the ASE's are 1 oz. of silver--despite both having 99.9% silver content. Thus, the Morgans should be smaller than the ASE's and may not fit correctly. (On that note, I'm not sure whether the 2021 Morgan is the same size as the 1921 Morgan, as they have different silver content but also different composition).

2. If you're trying to sell the set, some collectors may actually want the OGP, by virtue of the fact that it is the original packaging, even if it's poorly made. So you might want to include the new boxes anyway even if you make a better one.



Correct but they are the same size as a commemorative dollar. There are air tights that have the same outer diameter yet can either fit an ASE or Commemorative dollar. I did find some that were not too expensive on that. It is true that the silver dollar is different composition than an old morgan but I used the Mints diameter of 38.1mm to find an air tight that fits both an ASE and Commemorative (38.1mm)
so in theory it will work without using any of the foam spacers.

As for the second, yes I always want to keep the OGP as alot of people like to collect the complete set. No reason to resell, separate, throw away the OGP. Its always worth something.

Geez the 2011 25TH ASE set box is like $30. It is much nicer though
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 Posted 08/11/2021  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincollector123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another thing to consider is to make the felt around the Air Tights smaller to fit the actual Morgan in its original Air Tight so you dont have to transfer the coin into a different container.
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 Posted 08/11/2021  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Geez the 2011 25TH ASE set box is like $30. It is much nicer though

$30 is as cheap as I can find it on ebay at the moment. Most want $35 + $12 shipping.
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 Posted 08/11/2021  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coincollector123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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$30 is as cheap as I can find it on ebay at the moment. Most want $35 + $12 shipping.


I actually found one for $20 and I am going to use that one for the project. But yeah if it goes well there are a few online that want $35. But I really only want one for myself. Hopefully it all turns out well.
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08/11/2021 12:57 pm
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 Posted 08/11/2021  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I actually found one for $20...

I'd jump at $20 shipped.

I might go check my LCS this afternoon to see if they have any for sale.
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