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1859 Large Cent - Need An Expert Opinion On Haxby P4 65A

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Looking for some help identifying my haxby P4
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 Posted 12/22/2022  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't do Haxby searches, but that looks to me like a TP#1 that we put in the 65th Charlton on p 292. Does yours have a D/C from the tip of leaf 11 to the denticles? Yours has the smaller crack at leaf 13 lobe. I think that your coin is XF and we priced it at $1,000 Canadian. Please show leaf 11. Even if it isn't the same TP that we listed, it is still a valuable coin and quite rare.
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With the coin in hand, is there a very small D/C at 11. Later on the crack at 11 became very large and was bigger than the one at 13. I think that your coin IS a TP#1. Trend started listing it about 4 years after we put out the Charlton variety section in 2011. It lists in Trends at $800 Cdn in XF, so you have a nice addition to your collection and there may be some interest on here to TRY to purchase it from you. Congrats ... how long have you had it?

Here's a VG or F-12 on ebay right now in US$$:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/3726964828...9SR_SJycanYQ
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It sure does &
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I have had the coin for about 15 years
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Well, I see that there is no D/C at 11. Maybe the Haxby D/C occurrence timing chart is off and that 11 didn't start until after 13. Phil may be chiming in soon about the Haxby #'s and the P4. Again, nice coin. When did you know what you had?
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About an hour ago #128518;
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Yes, that is a very nice example of Obverse 65a Reverse P4. (Haxby catalog # PC59-211) As okiecoiner said this is the triple punched 9 #1 listed in the 2011 Charlton Catalog page 292. Nice find!
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Phil .... maybe you can update the D/C indication chart for the die states on the Haxby site that shows the D/C at 13 was before the big one that developed on 11. I've always used the D/C from the tip of 11 as a sure marker for the TP#1 and his doesn't have it .. only the one at 13.

Oh. Wow! I missed the very visible D/C at 11, because I miscounted the leaves. I was looking at leaf 9 that had no crack, not 13. Sorry! In the initial full-reverse photo, I didn't see anything at 11. The later one, taken at an angle, did, but I misread that the coin had been rotated and I took the one at 11 being the initial one I saw at 13.
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The photo katers posted above (copied here) shows the die crack at leaf 11. The page for P4 in the Haxby catalog shows only 2 die states, but we may at some point add some intermediate states if needed to show which die cracks appeared first.

I have seen a late state example of P4 which has radial die cracks at leaves 1, 5, 6, 11, 12, 13 and14.


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Thanks for the help
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