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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/23/2024 7:19 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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VF something. A real crap shoot from these photos. Cleaned? Who knows until you get it.
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Thanks as always @IGE. Can't wait to get this one in hand. I think I was able to attribute it. Initially I looked at O-105 to O-107 because those are the Knob 6 with Stem varieties. But all of those had obverse S7 too far away from L of Liberty. This one is close. The varieties that are Knob 6 with Stems that have S7 close to L are the 1806/5 varieties O-101 to O-104. So, even though I can't see the overdate at all due to the blurry pictures, I can confidently say that this is one of the overdate varieties. Going through each of the four choices, I was able to match it to O-103 because of the number and position of the berries and leaves in the reverse. Let me know if you disagree with my attribution.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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You bid from these pics?  Edited by Coinfrog
02/23/2024 8:09 pm
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Some image manipulation to bring out a little detail.   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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you really threw the dice on this one. i'll hold until in hand. I'm betting these photos were on purpose to hide something
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I'm at around F15 based on these photos. Surfaces? Who knows. Issues? Maybe.
Nothing wrong with gambling sometimes; my issue in this case would be that even if it turns out to be an original F12-F15 coin, you're in it pretty tight for that kind of money ($423) and buying in the middle of a bull market for coins. Full retail probably around $600, more if it's nice, quite a bit less if it's got issues. If it somehow slides into a VF20, then it's a solid buy at the price.
The scarcity of the variety is always a bonus, assuming you've nailed it down correctly.
I find it curious that someone would list a coin of this sort with such terrible pictures. It shows a complete lack of giving a darn on the part of the seller, or a deliberate attempt to hide issues with the coin, or perhaps both. If it's a decent coin, better photos would have upped the bidding, so seller may end up being the loser here.
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This selling platform is home to the most sophisticated numismatists in the world to people trying to sell items with the least amount of effort. Nevertheless, I think there was fairly heated bidding for this item, reaching a price higher than I expected.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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If seller saw this they'd probably be kicking themselves right about now - a loss of a couple hundred bucks because someone didn't want to spend 5 minutes to take decent photos has to hurt.
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That could be true. Presentation matters and that is the seller's responsibility.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11990 Posts |
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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I think the reverse might hold it to F-15 straight grade. Obverse is very close to a 20.
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Quote:You bid from these pics? I certainly did.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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You win some and lose some with the photos. This one looks like a winner.
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I think I would agree that this is probably a winner -- although more like winning $50 on a scratch-off ticket than winning $50m on the Powerball, but a win is a win.
Definitely looks better in your photos. You can see it's had an old cleaning (find me one that hasn't!) but eye appeal is just fine, better than most that I run across. More importantly, yours is relatively free of major damage (bends, digs, scrapes, etc.)
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