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Can Anyone Tell Me What Happened To This 2001-P Dime?error?

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 Posted 10/12/2011  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add golddiggr49 to your friends list
as I said you cannot see the lines when held in hand,it looks like a perfectly normal dime other than the color
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 Posted 10/12/2011  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
Normal weight of a clad dime is 2.27 grams, this is within tolerance of wear. It looks like it got brushed with lacquer.
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 Posted 10/12/2011  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add golddiggr49 to your friends list
Macmercury,i thought about that possibility when I first enlarged the picture and noticed the lines,but if that were the case,wouldn't there also be similar lines on the reverse? Also I tried to nick the rim with a pocket knfe and no other color came through just a very slightly brighter copper color.Thanks to everyone for the replies so far,please keep them coming!
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 Posted 10/12/2011  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
With that weight, there is zero chance it is missing both clad layers. I have a dime missing the reverse clad and it weighs 1.9 grams so a copper core would only weigh about 1.5 grams.

Edit: Most likely cause for the color is environmental exposure, which can sometimes give clad coinage a copperish color. I suspect the lines are attributable to the rollers used to set the metal stock to the proper thickness, more frequently seen on copper LMCs but also sometimes seen on clad coinage too.
https://goccf.com/t/84211

Oops, I missed the part where you cut the surface, that should rule out environmental exposure as that would expose the CuNi cladding.
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10/13/2011 12:15 am
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 Posted 10/12/2011  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list
I am 99% sure that it is a metal detecting find or has at least spent a couple of years in the dirt. I have pulled coins from the ground that were in a red clay type soil before that looked just like this.
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 Posted 10/13/2011  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
The streaky surface is often indicative of a genuine error. It's most likely that this is an improper annealing error. However, since you detect no nickel-colored metal beneath the surface, it may be more than that. It may be a true off-metal error. There are rare circumstances in which you can get a pure copper dime of normal (or nearly normal) weight. If the two clad strips run out in the bonding mill, the end of the strip, composed of pure copper, will be rolled to full thickness. It could also be an "orphan" off-metal error.
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 Posted 10/13/2011  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add golddiggr49 to your friends list
I just want to point out the areas aroung the eyebrow,the mark on the nose and jusy below the corner of the mouth,these are areas of raised metal,i believe they are called Cuds? I should have mentioned these sooner but it seems everytime I look at this thing I find something new.Thanks to all who have responded so far,your willingness to share your knowledge is greatly appreciated.
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 Posted 10/13/2011  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add golddiggr49 to your friends list
UPDATE:I was able to look at the coin with a lighted microscope,the area on the rim that I previously scratched does show a silvery tone under the copper color.I guess I couldn't pick it up with a regular jewelers loupe because of lighting,and the fact that the coin is so dark in color-much darker than the pictures posted here.
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 Posted 10/13/2011  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list
This dime looks like it was struck on a split planchet.
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 Posted 10/13/2011  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list
The raised areas you talk about are die chips or cracks. A Cud is a large break in the die that contacts the rim (part of the die has chipped away from the edge in that case). That sort of die damage around the nose and eyebrow is exceedingly common on Roosevelt dimes.
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 Posted 10/13/2011  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
Wow, every single poster seems to have a different opinion on what this might be. It's not an off-metal error. I personally think it is just extreme environmental exposure, although those lines on the obverse are usually from the mint, I don't believe it's considered an error though.
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 Posted 10/13/2011  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add golddiggr49 to your friends list
Ok so I just got back from my local(50 miles away)coin dealer (whom I do not really like or trust),and this is what he had to say:
1-coin was struck on a split planchette
2-improper annealing (something about copper dust baked on)?
3-coin has 4 die chips on the obverse
He also made me an offer on the coin,I will post the offer later for those who are interested.
Now,based on this information(if it's correct),I was hoping some of you collectors/experts out there would be able to give me a ball-park figure of what this coin would be worth?
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 Posted 10/13/2011  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chris beatie to your friends list
Well its worth what someone will pay for it.

With as many oddities as it appears to have its hard to compare to a similar coin for relative worth. It sounds fairly rare to me given all of the "defects" so I would think collectors of modern dimes would go nuts for it.
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 Posted 10/13/2011  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
#1 is incorrect, the term "split planchet" typically only applies to alloy coins that split due to an internal flaw in the alloy. Rough striations will be present and the coin will be lighter than normal. With clad coins, the outer layers can separate due to incomplete bonding but based upon the weight, it is definitely not missing the clad layers either.

#2 is difficult to authenticate without original mint luster present which would definitively rule out post-mint alteration/environmental exposure.

#3 die chips are present but they are very common and an acceptable part of the minting process so they do not add any value.


If the coin does indeed have mint luster(does not show in photos), then #2 is the best possibility since you have now confirmed that you can see nickel under the coppery color.
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10/13/2011 6:33 pm
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 Posted 10/13/2011  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add golddiggr49 to your friends list
My bad,"split planchet" is not what he meant,he said "planchet error" or that the marks could be "roller marks" or possibly "feeder damage" I was trying to write down what he was saying as he said it,and often have trouble reading my own writing.Anyway,thanks for all the replies,you guys are awesome!One more question-how do I get something like this confirmed,and would it be worth it to do so?..yea I know that's 2 questions...
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