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Fine Tuning The Jansjo Lamps

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 Posted 02/08/2012  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list
In your first post you said the light was 6" from coin, but in 2nd post you said it's just a couple inches away and at 45 degrees. From the look of the first shots, I think the couple inches sounds right, and 45 deg is too low. Try moving it up to 4-5 inches away, and as high an angle as you can get...Ray
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 Posted 02/08/2012  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
I am going on memory from work (objects are closer than they appear). I will work on the distance/angle technique, along with the other mentioned items alter tonight when I get home.
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 Posted 02/08/2012  11:34 am  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
Wow, that doesn't even look like the same coin. I love these types of threads, good stuff.
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 Posted 02/08/2012  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list
I have never gotten good results with automatic WB, it always looks better with a custom wb setting. That is the one flaw I had with the sony camera I tried to use, it only had some factory settings and none of them really worked well for coins with my setup
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 Posted 02/08/2012  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list
I get excellent results using the "Tungsten A1" setting on my Nikon to balance the Jansjos. If I do a careful custom WB, then toggle between the custom vs TN-A1, I can hardly tell the difference...Ray
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 Posted 02/09/2012  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
I tried the Jansjo closer to the (different) coin and Super Fine resolution;

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I tried the Jansjo closer to the lens and Super Fine resolution;
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I don't know if I can adjust the WB (white balance?) on my camera, but it is getting frustrating. Patience (with my screen name?) is the key to achieve "balance".

The same coin with the ceiling fan light behind and over my shoulder (which I may revert back to);

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 Posted 02/09/2012  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brg5658 to your friends list
Your camera manual says it has custom white balance.

You can find the manual here: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/c...S600_ENG.pdf

Look on pages 29 and 30 of the manual and it will tell you how to set the custom WB. You will need a sheet of white paper. You set the mode to Custom WB and the use the white piece of paper and the SAME lights as what you are using to shoot your coins (with other lights in the room off). This will set your white balance to a specific value to your Jansjo lights.

THEN, mount your camera on a copy stand or tripod. Adjust the jansjo lamps to be close to the lens and high. That 2nd picture you took above with the lights closer to the lens and with superfine resolution looks pretty good to my eye, but the lights looked diffused. Are you diffusing them or just shining them directly on the coin? Please don't go back to your ceiling fan lights! Keep trying...you're steadily improving.
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 Posted 02/09/2012  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
Thanks for "schooling" brg5658.

Gotta turn the ceiling fan lights off when using the Jansjos.

No diffusing (I saw a thread with some "homemade" diffusers).

More homework to do!

Thanks!
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Moving back to the Twenty Cent Piece, after White Balance adjustment (thanks brg5658 for the link) (overhead ceiling fan light & Jansjo);

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I am about ready to kick these Jansjo lamps to the curb

This may be one of those "good enough" type things I keep hearing about.
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 Posted 02/10/2012  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list
Your lights are too close to the coin and at too low an angle. The overhead ceiling light you are referring to is (I assume) many feet away and at a high angle to the coin. If that's the look you're going for (and it looks pretty good), you should try to approximate this with the Jansjo's as much as possible.
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 Posted 02/10/2012  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
I do not know where my head was last night...if the desired results are not achieved at the present set-up...change it. In other words...move the light away from object.

I kept maneuvering the light around the lens and the coin (close range) at different angles with mediocre results.

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Major flub-up on my part with the White Balance...I did not have the Jansjo lamps "ON".

Attention to detial (or in my case, lack of) strikes again!
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It's getting there; WB adjusted (with lamps on this time) 4 1/2 inches light to coin distance at 10 and 2 o'clock;

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 Posted 02/12/2012  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list
Better, but the lights are still at too low an angle. Can you bring them up to more vertical, closer to the lens? ...Ray
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 Posted 02/12/2012  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lobby to your friends list
Look at the amount of glare on the rim of the coin. Way too much. Indicates the lights are too much of an angle to the coin (you're coming at them too much from the side).
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