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The Price Of Gold

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Australia
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 Posted 02/11/2012  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I share Ed_B's apprehension about the possibility of China' economic instability in the long term. If their economy grows too fast for too long, there WILL be a major correction, with major unrest in the Country.

The Chinese Government know this, and are trying to balance growth against this risk, without anybody having an idea what a sensible growth rate should be.

If the Chinese suffer a Great Depression, there will be great economic suffering across the Planet.

African economies could arise after this, but just for now, are held back by excessive corruption.


Would there be excessive inflation with such a scenario?
Dunno. There wasn't much after the Great Depression, despite massive increases in Government debt; can't come off the Gold Standard this time, we are not on it.
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United States
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 Posted 02/11/2012  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
I just picked $1800.00 as I hope it goes there and am betting on it but I am glad to see my guess is in the majority thus far of others thinking.
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 Posted 02/12/2012  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mysterimen to your friends list
Good news for precious mettals!

Andover voters to decide on silver dollars as pay alternative for town employees!

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United States
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 Posted 02/12/2012  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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I will say this, don't over think it, just buy some gold to go with all that mountain of silver, can't be a bad thing having some of both....

I agree, hawk, on both counts. One thing that gets to me, though, is when I keep reading comments on the net about how silver is a MUCH better buy than gold and that when gold doubles, silver could go up 4-5 times. Could be but who knows for sure?

I agree, Sel. China is doing a real high-wire balancing act right now and that might or might not turn out OK. The world does not now have a single economy but it is far more integrated than ever before. There are virtually no places left on Earth that do not in one way or another affect other places economically.

I'm still watching the news for more info on the Pan Asian Gold Exchange that is supposed to give the COMEX a terrific run for its money. It would be good to have some competition there, as the CME / COMEX has gotten far too fat and lazy, IMHO. Investors in general and small investors in particular need this badly. So do the world's gold and silver producers who could leave the COMEX in droves after all the fooling around they have done with silver futures and options prices.
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United States
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 Posted 02/14/2012  02:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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Andover voters to decide on silver dollars as pay alternative for town employees!


The idea being they pay income tax only on the face value, not market value. This won't fly.

The IRS will treat it like any barter deal, and the value of the coins will be considered to be the income.

If you work for a coin dealer and he gives you an svdb in exchange, your income is the market value of the svdb, not one cent.
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 Posted 02/14/2012  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list
Still may be a better deal for those that save. Its a choice so it may work for those that choose since they can start a PM collection easily.
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 Posted 02/14/2012  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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Still may be a better deal for those that save.

I agree with both Fredd and Angel on this. No, there will not be any tax savings involved in this but anyone who works in Andover and wants to start collecting silver will have an excellent opportunity to do so. This kind of reminds me of the old "buy US savings bonds at work" program, only in this case it is buy silver at work.
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 Posted 02/14/2012  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list
Exactly what I was thinking of US Savings bonds (but Better)
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 Posted 02/15/2012  10:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wquinn to your friends list
I voted gold to go to $1800 in the next 4-6 weeks, since oil is on the rise and there is still turmoil in the market.
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 Posted 02/15/2012  5:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
Yes, that could happen. Gold went over $1800 last year and there doesn't seem to have been much in the way of REAL improvements in the economies of the world since then. Things are pretty much the same, in spite of all the election year political drivel about "things are getting better". Yeah, right. Especially when they just stop counting the things that are not getting better. That is an old trick but one that at least half of the people out there will fall for almost every time.


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Exactly what I was thinking of US Savings bonds (but Better)

That's for sure, Angel. My Dad bought US savings bonds every payday for many years. When he retired, he had a stack of those things about 3" deep. Back then, the US government was working much better than it has lately and interest rates were competitive. Many of his bonds were paying around 5% interest, which was pretty decent. The ones that he bought in the late 1970s and early 1980s were especially good. Not like today at all, though. They say that the US Treasury will soon be offering bonds with negative interest rates. Say what? A guaranteed loss on your investment and people STILL buy them? Wow is about all I can say to that!
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 Posted 02/15/2012  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add angel2004 to your friends list
Yes Bonds once were a fairly good investment between safety and rate. And the ease of getting them. Now I think its PM and land for the most part

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 Posted 02/15/2012  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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They say that the US Treasury will soon be offering bonds with negative interest rates. Say what? A guaranteed loss on your investment and people STILL buy them? Wow is about all I can say to that!


No "soon" about it, they started last year. Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities (TIPS) brought less than face.

The idea is that you pay $10,000 for a bond that pays back $9,687.50, plus inflation, at the end of five years. You lose 0.625% a year, but if inflation is 5%, your net is 4.375%.

Why anyone is willing to accept such a deal from a gubmint known for fudging the inflation figgers is another question.
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 Posted 02/16/2012  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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Why anyone is willing to accept such a deal from a gubmint known for fudging the inflation figgers is another question.

Must be the financial equivalent of the PT Barnum effect.

Know what you mean about those fudged inflation numbers, though. I had about $100k invested in a TIPS mutual fund about 6 years ago. It did OK. Then the numbers started getting flaky and always in the government's favor, so I sold the fund and pocketed the cap gains that it had. Soon thereafter, it tanked. Although people have made money in some bonds / bond funds for the past few years, I have avoided them except for a small amount in a GNME fund.
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 Posted 02/17/2012  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list

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PT Barnum effect

So true. I would venture to say that the majority of those of us in the business known as investing falls prey to the PT Barnum effect. Takes a lot of smarts, knowledge, and perhaps most important, self control and confidence, to not believe only what we want to believe in.
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 Posted 02/18/2012  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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Takes a lot of smarts, knowledge, and perhaps most important, self control and confidence, to not believe only what we want to believe in.

Indeed so, Poboxw. Plus, we should never discount the value of plain old luck in our investing. That comes in two flavors... good and bad!
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