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Pre-1933 Gold Vs. Bullion

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 Posted 02/23/2012  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SDcoinguy to your friends list
quick question:

I want to sell my Krug, what do you think is a fair price?

i see ebay is around $1850ish
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 Posted 02/23/2012  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
SDcoinguy: How is a Saint more liquid than a Krugeraand? I'd like to know. I'm curious because I tend to think of .9999 as more liquid than numismatic stuff. My reason being that .9999 is not an alloy, and that you would need to first find a collector to sell it to, meaning you'll get a lower price for it if you sell it to a dealer as opposed to a collector? Am I making sense?
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02/23/2012 9:53 pm
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 Posted 02/23/2012  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SDcoinguy to your friends list
n my opinion, I would think saints would be more liquid based on their populairty and numismatic importance, eye appeal, etc..? I'm probably wrong on this one....
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 Posted 02/24/2012  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junior e to your friends list
If you sell it on ebay, the fees will knock you back.

One thing not to do. Don't list your Krug on Craigslist.

Gold coins on Craiglist just draw scammers and thieves out of the woodwork.

There is a Buy/Sell/Trade section on Kitco's Forum that has actual buyers who respond, and it's free to list. Someone may swap you there. Good Luck!
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 Posted 02/24/2012  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
A Krug does have a bit more gold in it than a Saint but Krugs are not .999. They are 22k or 91.67% pure gold. Not sure of the purity of the Saints but they contain 0.96xx oz. instead of 1.0 oz.

Considering that the gold / silver ratio is in the area of 50 to 1, I would trade the Krug for ASEs and / or Maples. If that ratio falls to 25 to 1 in the next couple of years, you could then trade those silver coins for 2 1-oz. gold coins. Yeah, that is a big IF but thanks to industrial consumption and declining silver mine production, it's a real possibility.
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 Posted 02/24/2012  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
I forgot about Krugs not being .9999... that makes sense now. I was thinking about the liquidity of .9999 bars and rounds.
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 Posted 02/24/2012  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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I have found some websites that offer $20 saints at mS61 for virtually the SAME price as a 1oz Krug


You're not the only person who'd rather have a Saint from his own country than a strictly bullion coin from the other side of the world.

The content is not that different, just 0.0325 oz.
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 Posted 02/24/2012  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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Would you agree that there would be some instances where people would trade outside that spead? Say a common date worn example?


If you're looking for potential numismatic value, the last thing you want is well circulated gold.
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 Posted 02/24/2012  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
St. Gauden is .9675 like Ed said, the most pure of all the old coins, hence being more liquid....
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 Posted 02/24/2012  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Clint to your friends list
Liberty Heads are also 0.9675, right?
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 Posted 02/24/2012  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list
I would rate both as being equally liquid in the overall market, but with differing premiums to bullion value. You may find some individuals that still shy away from Krugs due to lingering political views, or some that just plain prefer Saints, etc., but both are gold (just of differing purities) and extremely liquid. As for the Krug price...retail, melt plus a few percent, wholesale, melt less a few percent. ebay is your best source for retail prices on Saints.
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 Posted 02/25/2012  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bekiz to your friends list
got an opportunity to get 1/4 oz krugerrand exactly at spot, with free shipping.
Considering the fact that I bought some US commemoratives before, $30-$40 under the spot (last was when gold was at 1650), should I go for the krugerrand this time?

Well, psychologically, when used to buy gold at 1650, not that easy to go for it when it costss 100 bucks more.
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 Posted 02/25/2012  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silverhawk74 to your friends list
I love gold, esp old pre 1933 gold Bekiz....

But my thing with gold is, you really need a lot to make any real profit, esp at these prices....

I got about 2 oz. of gold together last year, but in the long run realized I am in a much better position to add "poor man's gold", via silver so that is all I now focus on, so I sold one oz. and traded another for 50 oz of silver....

I guess my point, unless you can get about 5 oz. together at least, you really don't stand to turn much profit this year, minus gold hitting 2500 an oz, and then your profit would still be slim in comparison to if one had much silver, and it hit 60 to 75 an oz this year, which is a major big IF....

In the end, not always about the best profit margin line, sometimes the collector in us all takes over an adds things just for personal enjoyment, and that is all fine an dandy as well....

Now long term investors/collectors that just want out of the dollar and into something they believe in, then gold is a fantastic idea. IF again ones is smart enough to get out, IF an when a major pullback goes down, then of course buy right back in two fold when it bottoms out. But that takes timing an luck, as none of us have a crystal ball too begin with. Lastly I will say gold is a gamble like many things in this world, but I consider it a safe gamble, again if one has enough to invest in it to make a REAL difference in their own personal situations, via short term or long....
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02/25/2012 11:11 am
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 Posted 02/25/2012  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list
Get both!
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 Posted 02/25/2012  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list
One of the things about Krugs that turn me off is that they have a reddish look to them that other gold coins do not. I suspect that the amount of copper in them does this. I much prefer the US and Canadian gold coins. They look more like gold to me and less like copper. Personal preference, of course. Anyone offering me a real cheap Krug will find a ready buyer!
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