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Reporting Fake PCGS Slabs

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 Posted 03/16/2012  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list
The hologram label on the slab is poor, but these folks are getting better and better.
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 Posted 03/16/2012  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
There is NO WAY I'd touch that 1796 DBD.
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 Posted 03/21/2012  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latebloomer to your friends list
jeff11, thanks for the heads up about the fakes on ebay. I have been looking on ebay to get a range of a what a 1878 7/8 TF silver morgans pcgs 63 to 65 are going for. I am almost ready to purchase one.
I never knew that I can have access to a cert # to see what it went for. Then again I am learning. How does one go about investigating a cert # ?
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 Posted 03/22/2012  12:41 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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I never knew that I can have access to a cert # to see what it went for.


You will usually need a paid subscription to PCGS and NGC to access auction prices. You can verify cert numbers on their websites for free.

You are correct that knowing auction prices is a great way to determine market value for coins. Nothing beats knowing what others are paying before you buy.

Heritage Auctions lists wholesale/retail values and recent auction results for coins they have listed for sale (auction). Heritage allows you to sign up for free and access this information. It is worthwhile for sure.

Good Luck!
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 Posted 03/22/2012  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latebloomer to your friends list
thank you bh1964 for the insight, I will be looking into what you have said. I am really happy I found this web page by accident and the great experts I am meeting everyday.
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 Posted 03/22/2012  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jeff 11 to your friends list
Good news is - that ebay user has been removed from ebay, so it seems some action was taken. No doubt they will try eventually to open a new account, but at least its a very positive step. I'll keep a close eye out for any others.
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 Posted 03/22/2012  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Just don't forget, this is a neverending game of Whackamole.
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 Posted 03/25/2012  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
Would somebody please check this PCGS number in the cert verification other than me.
I get
Not a valid cert number.
for 7945.55/20956819 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/
If it were certified wouldn't it come up with type and grade?
Here's two more I am trying to get verified, same response.
7945.50/15164253 and 7946.58/10812737
Thanks
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 Posted 03/25/2012  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jeff 11 to your friends list
The first one is coming up as a 1913 $2.5 in AU55 if thats correct?

Make sure you just enter the last 8 digits after the forward slash, it should work out for you

And Superdave - You definitely got a point there, suppose no harm in trying to make it a bit harder for them though
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 Posted 03/25/2012  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
COIN INFORMATION
Cert Verification #: 20956819
PCGS Coin #: 7945
Date, mintmark: 1913
Denomination: $2.50
Variety:
Minor Variety:
Mint Error:
Pedigree:
Country: The United States of America
Grade: AU55
Mintage: 722,000
PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $350
Holder Type: Standard
Population: 478
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03/25/2012 3:17 pm
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COIN INFORMATION
Cert Verification #: 15164253
PCGS Coin #: 7945
Date, mintmark: 1913
Denomination: $2.50
Variety:
Minor Variety:
Mint Error:
Pedigree:
Country: The United States of America
Grade: AU50
Mintage: 722,000
PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $325
Holder Type: Standard
Population: 137
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COIN INFORMATION
Cert Verification #: 10812737
PCGS Coin #: 7946
Date, mintmark: 1914
Denomination: $2.50
Variety:
Minor Variety:
Mint Error:
Pedigree:
Country: The United States of America
Grade: AU58
Mintage: 240,000
PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $410
Holder Type: Standard
Population: 609
Edited by oih82w8
03/25/2012 3:17 pm
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 Posted 03/25/2012  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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And Superdave - You definitely got a point there, suppose no harm in trying to make it a bit harder for them though


Absolutely. The point I'm making is that we need to be vigilant and stay vigilant. They're not going away.
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 Posted 03/25/2012  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
Thanks, Well bear in mind that I try to use the cert link and get that response.
I think that somebody used this info and replicated slab labels for fake slabs this person bought.

Here is my story.These are not my coins.

I have been on a mini crusade helping others and hammering the seller of fakes.

Recently I wrote a buyer from wasminenowyours2012
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...VIP:feedback

Dear hghsierra,
Did you know your coin is a fake 1914 Gold $2.5 Quarter Eagle/PCGS (#170787977127) from wasminenowyours2012
Please read this coin forum string about this crook.
https://goccf.com/t/114000&whichpage=1

I got this response

Dear thenickelguy,
I bought 2 coins from him. One was a 1914 $2.50 gold AU58 in PCGS holder. Certification number checks out on PCGS website.

I HAVE NOT YET sent this email back to the buyer who thinks they have legit coins.

7945.50/15164253 cert number
1913 Gold $2.5 Quarter Eagle/PCGS listing [eBayItem]170787985982[/eBayItem]
Reporting-Fake-PCGS-Slabs
7946.58/10812737 cert number
1914 Gold $2.5 Quarter Eagle/PCGS listing [eBayItem]170787977127[/eBayItem]


Reporting-Fake-PCGS-Slabs
copy and past the cert number into the box in this link.
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/

I get response Not a valid cert number.

Even if you did get a valid coin response after entering the cert number, that does not mean that the slab you have has not been counterfieted as well as the coin inside. The thieves use reproduced slabs with crude labels. If you look at your bar code and compare it to other PCGS coins you may have in your collection or other legitimate ones you can see clearly on ebay, you can see that the bar code is a bit fuzzy.
I have alerted other ebay members who have bought similar items from wasminenowyours2012 and they have been completely reimbursed by Paypal and ebay. If you bought other items from this seller, I would think they are fake too.
I just can't believe that this seller has not become shut down on ebay to date.

I am just trying to help you, discourage sellers like this and help preserve the coin hobby as a whole.


Reporting-Fake-PCGS-Slabs
http://www.ebay.com/itm/[eBayItem]170785998854[/eBayItem]
looks like your coin but it was fake and that member got his money back.

Here is an interesting an informative read on the subject of fake slabs with fake coins inside labled PCGS and the like.
https://goccf.com/t/114052

Good luck, TheNickelGuy
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03/25/2012 3:49 pm
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 Posted 03/25/2012  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
I think we may get a new member .... This buyer is taking action now against the crook.
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