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Variety Vs Error Coin

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 Posted 04/14/2012  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Australian coin to your friends list
Easy
If it was something to do with the die it's a variety.
Type 1: different die being made or used i.e. big head / small head 20c, or an incused, or a mule
Type 2: a die starts to fail i.e. die crack or Cud.
Usually a variety can be seen on numerous examples of coins, and are consistent.

An error is when it wasn't supposed to have happened in normal stamping production.
I.e. a misstrike, broad strike, out of collar, brokerage
There are usually very few examples of these, and you will rarely get 2 the same.

Then there are coins that I consider neither error nor variety:
Like laminated planchet peels, as these appear after a period of time due to strain on the planchet bringing them to the surface. They are the product of a flawed planchet with impurities.
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 Posted 04/14/2012  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list
I think that sums it up pretty well amida. I would classify the two cons mentioned as errors as they dies were ot manufactured to have a chip or a Cud producing depression.
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 Posted 04/14/2012  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Australian coin to your friends list
CCF Numismatic Glossary

error
A numismatic item that unintentionally varies from the norm. Ordinarily, overdates are not errors since they were done intentionally while other die-cutting "mistakes" are considered errors. Double dies, planchet clips, off-metal strikings, etc. also are errors.

variety
A coin of the same date and basic design as another but with slight differences. PCGS recognizes all major varieties while there are thousands of minor varieties, most of which have significance only to specialists of the particular series. After hubbed dies, introduced in the 1840s, varieties are mainly variations in date and mintmark size and placement.
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 Posted 04/14/2012  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
The over dates are considered a variety coin as well
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 Posted 04/14/2012  12:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list
I wouldnt classify a die crack or Cud as a variety, rather an error as it was not tooled intentionally into the die.
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 Posted 04/14/2012  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list
I would have thought a mule qualifies as an error.
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 Posted 04/14/2012  01:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list
with ozcoin I would classify a mule as an error
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 Posted 04/14/2012  01:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list
I would also class a flawed planchet as an error regardless of when it becomes obvious.
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 Posted 04/14/2012  02:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrcruise to your friends list
Thanks to all for replies

In particular, how would you class the 2 1981 20c coins?
Were the dot Cud + die chip part of the dies used?
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 Posted 04/14/2012  02:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
It is my opinion that if there is a deliberate design change by the mint to the coin it is a variety.
If there is an unintended change to the coin ( eg cracks Cuds etc) then it is an error
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 Posted 04/14/2012  03:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add airgem to your friends list
with Australian Coin. An Error can turn into a Variety, but a variety can't turn into an error. There are many examples of Errors made on dies but these turn into varieties because thousands are made. A Cud is a variety, a die crack is a variety,the 2000 dollar mule is a variety,the 1931 dropped 1 penny is a variety,the 1962 double nose penny is a variety.Date doubling is a variety.The 1981 20c are varieties. Although they are technically errors they magically turn into varieties as thousands are produced.
Planchet flaws are errors as they are usually unique, misstrikes are errors as they are usually unique.
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 Posted 04/14/2012  03:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list
airgem.
What is the "magical" number that makes an error become a variety?
Please justify why your number is correct.
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 Posted 04/14/2012  04:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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because thousands are made. A Cud is a variety, a die crack is a variety,the 2000 dollar mule is a variety,the 1931 dropped 1 penny is a variety,the 1962 double nose penny is a variety.Date doubling is a variety.The 1981 20c are varieties. Although they are technically errors they magically turn into varieties as thousands are produced.
Planchet flaws are errors as they are usually unique, misstrikes are errors as they are usually unique.


These are normally referred to as ERROR varieties and not as varieties in their own right
An error is an error regardless of the amount minted,Just because thousands were produced they are still error coins.
A variety is a deliberate change in the design by the mint
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 Posted 04/14/2012  06:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Australian coin to your friends list
Did a further search effort, but I found out there are heaps of different definitions and what people call a specific coin, like die variations
There no one single meaning for just variety
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 Posted 04/14/2012  06:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list

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Did a further search effort, but I found out there are heaps of different definitions and what people call a specific coin, like die variations
There no one single meaning for just variety

devious buggers us numismatists
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