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Barber Quarters....are They Just Not That Popular?

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 Posted 04/16/2012  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add afcop13 to your friends list
Also curious about your thoughts on the sleepers.

I've been working on the dimes - and they are tough to find in F and up condition.......
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 Posted 04/16/2012  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
A link and a secret:

www.barbercoins.org

Please pay attention to the rarity and availability analysis. This is much more valuable than the raw mintage
figures might tell you. It will help you to identify the sleepers among the three silver series.

For many years the spread between Barber coins in good and very good was non-existent. Even today,
goods and VGs are lumped together.
Those of us who "know" will tell you that searching through a group of these coins, such as mycrob does, will often
net you a few higher very goods. THESE are sleepers, and worth pulling out to hold.

More later,
Matthew
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04/16/2012 4:28 pm
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 Posted 04/16/2012  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list
the dimes are real bad because back then people got paid that per day at work
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 Posted 04/16/2012  7:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add COMET to your friends list
From reading a few articles it seemed that the design on Barber coins was not too favorable with the public. Not sure about now but it seems that a lot of collectors would rather focus on other series. But with that been said, I do seem any Barber coins in low grades. Mid-grades are hard to find and so far I have only seen a few around XF. It also seems that Barber coins are usually very worn, if you look around sometimes you can find good grades in junk silver bins.
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 Posted 04/17/2012  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
At our Barber site, each of the four series are listed. A short description follows, with a list of difficult to find examples.

http://barbercoins.org/BarberQuarters.html

From this link:

"Although the "Big 3" get most of the attention, many of the other dates in the Barber quarter series are extremely difficult to find in higher circulated grades, including 1896-O, 1897-O, 1897-S, 1901-O, 1905-O, 1909-O, and 1914-S. As a result, putting together a complete set of Barber quarters in higher grades is not only expensive, but takes a lot of serious searching and a great deal of luck. Perhaps only 12 to 15 original AU 1909-O quarters exist, making it quite possibly the 2nd or 3rd most difficult coin to obtain in that grade. That's rare."

OK. Quarter collectors already know about these dates. To find any of them requires patience, luck and a fat wallet.
It is among other dates that we find the sleepers.
Using the rarity and availability data, gathered from among the members of the BCCS, and the information available at:

http://blog.davidlawrence.com/index...er-quarters/

you will be able to spot the "sleepers" yourselves.

I cannot continue speaking about the quarters without making reference to the dimes which are my specialty. And assuming that unholyroller has no objections I shall do so.

David Lawrence commented that the 1900-O dime is:

"The most underrated coin in the set. In circulated grades
above VG its scarcity rivals the 1895-O ......
Poorly struck with lackluster surfaces."

So I wondered, "What about the 1900-O quarter?"

Well, with a mintage of 3,416,000 you might think that this is a common date and widely available.

NOT TRUE!

David Lawrence wrote:

"Scarcity: Very scarce in mid grades because of the poor strike. Scarce in mint state because of poor survivorship.

Rarity Ratings: G/VG R2; F/VF R4; EF/AU R4; MS R4.

Ranking: 44th in mintage ...

Comments: Comes poorly struck on the central reverse as a rule, with weakness in the eagle's right ...

Buy all the nicely struck specimens you can find."

A "sleeper?"

If the dimes from San Francisco dated 1898, 1899 and 1900 went to the Philippines, what about the quarters?
Same thing. Decent mintages but downright difficult to find high grade examples that have not been cleaned.

Folks, all of my conclusions have been drawn from years
of experience and the availability of the resources of the BCCS. I refer to these resources constantly. They are freely available to all.

In the spirit of:

"Give a man a fish and he eats for a day ...
Teach a man how to fish and he eats for a lifetime."

I have shown you the resources from which to learn.
Good Hunting!

Matthew





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 Posted 04/17/2012  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Popularity in any coin decides on the prices. Oddly enough though, Silver Dollars are way up there in recent popularity. And that is odd since finding them in change is as close to impossible as can be. Usually the Penny is the most popular, followed by certain Nickels, then dimes, etc. Again due to popularity since almost all kids can save and collect Pennies, some Nickels, some Dimes. Much less can afford to collect Quarters and/or Halves.
And even then, some are more popular than others of similar denominations. For example almost everyone loves the Indian/Buffalo Nickels. And then with Nickels the popularity really drops off with Shield or Liberty Headed ones.
With Quarters those State Quarters are by far the most collected coins in the last years now. Although of little to no real value, a great educational tool and kids really like them. So in this instance, popularity is great but the values are still low.
Many collectors like the Standing Liberty quarters but due to the rareness of many of them, makes it difficult for the average small collector. The Liberty Head Quarters are a lot more collected than people think. At most of the coin shows I go to those along with Mercury dimes are some of the biggest sellers. So not sure why you would think those are not popular, but try to make a complete collection of those. Not real easy.
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 Posted 04/17/2012  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
I have (and only need) one Barber quarter for my 7070. It's a 1900-P Type III Reverse EF40-Cleaned ANACS.

On the Ty-III (that Caswell sent the above images of) the wing tip touches the right lower serif of the T and extends beyond the top of the E.

http://hermes.csd.net/~coneca/conte...uestions.htm
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04/17/2012 7:01 pm
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 Posted 04/17/2012  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinstar to your friends list
everyone needs barbers--or not-- More for me!
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 Posted 04/17/2012  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorganDude26 to your friends list
IMHO, I think the Barber coinage series was the most beautiful type of coin along with the Walking Liberty half
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 Posted 04/18/2012  06:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
An observation, MorganDude26:

During the early teens the Clouds of War were beginning to gather in Europe.
The Barber series were approaching their 25 year run.
Raising the sense of patriotism in an isolationist America was growing important.
Charles Barber was born in London. His designs were in the classical European mode.

So, we have:
The Walking Liberty half (1916)
The Standing Liberty quarter (1916)
The "Mercury" Dime (1916) [OK, Ancient Greek and Roman themes]
and trailing the pack ...
The AMERICAN Bison and the AMERICAN Indian Nickel. (1913)

Still, such bold, AMERICAN designs cannot dull the appeal of the Barber designs.

To those of us who appreciate quiet, understated and dignified beauty.

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 Posted 04/18/2012  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list
Brian (coinguybrian) has some nice sounding Dansco's for Barber dimes and quarters for sale right now
on CCF's for sale thread if your thinking about starting a set. I was very tempted but just what I need is another set to start. Check it out.
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 Posted 04/18/2012  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add briank to your friends list
I love the most of the Barber series but like others have said, it sure is hard to find vf30+ on most of them. Someday I'll find a nice 14-s quarter.
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 Posted 04/18/2012  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
I really think the halves look sharp in the VF to XF range. The dimes, not so much. Before I moved to the boonies, I was putting together all three denominations, but have since changed my focus to the 7070. I did manage to snag a couple of low grade semi-keys for melt.
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04/18/2012 9:50 pm
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I have always liked the design of the Barber Series
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 Posted 04/19/2012  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list
nod2003

You got those for melt?

Wow, you did great!


As for sleepers, in the quarters, I have to add the 1909 O.

Difficult in any thing above G-4, and just about impossible above F-12.

Continuing in quarters: the 1896 O and 1897 O are very underrated in Fine or better.

As are the 1897 S and the 1899 S.

Many tough dates above fine in the set.

Then look at the 1910 D, the 1911 D & S, and the 1912 S.

I picked up the 1910 D in Au-58 in 1997, and haven't seen one since, yet the price doesn't justify the scarcity.

The 1911 D in AU was acquired in 2002 and, again, I haven't seen another.
Except for a nice AU-50, PCGS, that I just had to take home. Another R-5.


The 1911 S is an R-5 just in Fine! And is worth every cent, plus a heck of a lot more.

Then try to find a high grade 1912 S, they are just not out there.

In review, there are many underrated dates in the 3 different series.
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