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Pillar of the Community
United States
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yeah rim dmg on it and probably cleaned a while back
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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The rim damage doesn't help. Tiny amount of wear on the high points. The right thigh is a bit flat. Couple of tiny dings.
I guess that this coin has been sitting on the bottom of a drawer for many years, perhaps that explains the patination pattern.
AU50.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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EF40/45 too many tics on the obverse + the rim bump to go any higher. Still a great coin and very collectible coin!
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Pillar of the Community
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Thank you all for the feedback, I'm always appreciative of your taking the time to look and comment
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3294 Posts |
Looks like an XF to me as well.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
36903 Posts |
EF-40 details, cleaned and rim problems. Too much wear on the eagle's feathers for an AU.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4337 Posts |
indian - too much wear on the eagles feathers? huh? cleaned a hundred years ago you mean? you do see the patina that has formed, yes? that takes quite a handful of decades to achieve that toning anyhoo, Heritage Auctions here is an excellent comparison for both similar rim nics and tics on the obverse. Its NGC AU53. My coin will go as part of my PCGS submission this summer so I will re-post after its slabbed. I paid $100 so another $15 is worth it to grade it http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...0&lotNo=7746 |
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United States
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Agree with EF-45 details overall, old cleaning, some rim issues. Reverse detail is AU.
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Moderator
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16680 Posts |
XF45 Details/cleaned
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote:here is an excellent comparison for both similar rim nics and tics on the obverse. Its NGC AU53. http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...0&lotNo=7746 To be honest I don't agree with what NGC graded that example. I think the reverse may be AU-50 but there is no way I could ever grade that Obverse anything above XF-45, so I believe AU-53 for that coin on Heritage was a very generous grade for that coin. But who am I to disagree with the Experts. In my opinion yours looks to have XF-40 details to me For reference this coin (I know its a different variety and date) was graded AU-55 by PCGS. Its the same coin with different lighting     |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Bryan, that 1854 is a nice strong AU coin, no doubt about that. As to the the OP, I am still holding with my original feeling that the 1853 is an EF-40 details coin. Far too much wear on the eagles feathers and shield to give it a 45. I for one would not pay the fees to get this one slabbed as it will come back "genuine" without a grade.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4337 Posts |
Maybe I wont send it to be slabbed. I am a collector, not a reseller anyway so in thinking more about it I don't care if it is XF40/45 or AU from that perspective. I guess I was just making sure the $100 I paid, as a pure collector and admirer of the coin was what any of you would have been happy paying.
As always, the time you take to view/respond is greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
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United States
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dsfreeworld: indian - too much wear on the eagles feathers? huh? cleaned a hundred years ago you mean? you do see the patina that has formed, yes? that takes quite a handful of decades to achieve that toning I dont understand, are you upset with his opinion? He's just telling you what he thinks. And I agree with Bryan about that example on Heritage you provided ... I think its pretty obvious that coin doesn't deserve AU anything, even to a newbie like me. Look at the amount of wear on the obverse. Besides this, its also not a good example because it was hand-picked by you which involves heavy selection bias. If it was picked by a third party, maybe, but still you'd really want to see 10-20 coins to get a good sample. I wont give my opinion because I'm way too biased at this point but I think at minimum it would come back with rim damage. |
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United States
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I'm not upset with him. Why do you say that? If you read my response that follows all posts:
"As always, the time you take to view/respond is greatly appreciated.
Many thanks"
That is how I truly feel which is why I state it. And please, biased or not, always give your thoughts. That's the point of these posts dude...
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Your coin is still a more desirable date/variety than the one I posted above and I only posted those pictures to show what I feel a true AU coin should look close to of this type. There are some exceptions where certain dates are known to have weak strikes but I don't think the A/R Seated quarters are one that falls into this category as I have not heard of them having weak a strike generally. When I made the statement of XF details I didn't mean it would come back in a problem holder, I was just commenting on what I thought the details of the coin deserved. I can never give a true opinion on what the TPG's will do about problem free or problem coins by pictures unless its blatantly obvious it has PMD without seeing the coin in hand. I have seen some rim problem coins that I thought would never grade (before the top TPG's other than ANACS started slabbing problem coins) and them come back in slabs so it all according to what kind of mood the graders are in on the day your coin goes across the desk. If you feel you want to get it graded after taking everyone's thoughts of the coin into consideration then by all means do what you feel you should do with the coin |
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