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 Posted 06/25/2012  07:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list
The dark blotchy toning, I'm not such a fan of but golden champagne toning creeping in from the rims on a sliver dollar, beautiful. Colorful coins like Brad's Wheat cent and those Morgan's that goldeagle posted are artistic and killer rarities
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 Posted 06/25/2012  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Rainbow toning is like a flower. It is VERY delicate. It is a form of partial toning, and is on it's way to full toning.

Photograph it while you can.

There may be some sort of sealant which may be capable of stopping toning dead in it's tracks; that would be ideal for those who value rainbow toning on their coins.

Is there something which is capable of doing this?
I was thinking on the lines of sprayed acrylic lacquer, directly onto the coin.

If you changed your mind later on, remove the lacquer with acetone. The toning would then be allowed to continue.

Rainbow toning on solid silver tableware would be considered as tarnish. For this application, there are silver polish products - disastrous for coins.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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There may be some sort of sealant which may be capable of stopping toning dead in it's tracks; that would be ideal for those who value rainbow toning on their coins.

Is there something which is capable of doing this?
I was thinking on the lines of sprayed acrylic lacquer, directly onto the coin.


Lacquering used to be common practice for collectible coins. That's a pretty cool idea, actually, even if a little
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 Posted 06/25/2012  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JobIII to your friends list
Does it matter if you have to angle the coin to capture the toning?
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 Posted 06/25/2012  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list
If any of my coins started to tone I would be devastated.
It would mean that I have not taken due care of the coins .
All these "rainbow toned coins" are a product of neglect and in my opinion should be shunned for what they are.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  09:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list
I can't think of any other kind of collectible antique where natural patina is considered a negative.

I'm not a big fan of toning on modern coins, as we've known for some decades how to store coins to minimize oxidation (though many normal storage methods, like original mint/proof sets, do produce toning.)

Older coins, however, stored carefully in what was considered normal or best practice at the time will have toned. Bag toning on Morgan dollars is part of that coin's history. Again, a 19th century coin that is completely white has almost certainly had its natural patina stripped away artificially.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Way back in 1964, I sprayed a Kennedy half with acrylic laquer from a can, just for my own amusement. There has been no degradation of the mint lustre at all since that time.

I am loathe to suggest that anybody would follow that lead, but I would appreciate it to know if such an idea would be more widely viable as a method of coin preservation.

Such an approach may help arrest bronze disease in vulnerable bronze coins, for instance.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Teach to your friends list
Not a fan of the tone. Just looks like tarnish to me, even the pretty rainbows don't do a whole lot for me. I would rather have something that looks brand new and shines with a white luster.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list
When I started collecting I hated toning. I've come to appreciate it more and like how it makes a coin unique. Its a personal thing really and there's never going to be a consensus on which is better.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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It would mean that I have not taken due care of the coins .
All these "rainbow toned coins" are a product of neglect and in my opinion should be shunned for what they are.


However, just as with cars, toys, oil paintings, etc. many people just have their own ideas of what they like. For example those coins with actual paint on them. Copies of older cars made today.
And with such differences in likes and dislikes, manufacturers thrive on making something that some would like and others hate. Even our Mint makes tons of commemoratives for those that like them. Even our own Mint floods the market with way to much STUFF.
And with Toned Coinage, there used to be a separate Forum called something like Toned Coins.
There is a brighter side to all this. For those that run around looking for toned coins, many more regular ones for the rest of us.

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Way back in 1964, I sprayed a Kennedy half with acrylic laquer from a can, just for my own amusement. There has been no degradation of the mint lustre at all since that time.

I am loathe to suggest that anybody would follow that lead, but I would appreciate it to know if such an idea would be more widely viable as a method of coin preservation.

I did this back in 1959. All still look the same as then.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clairhardesty to your friends list
Instead of spraying a lacquer directly onto a coin, just seal it into clear packaging (a slab or capsule with airtight seals) while in an inert atmosphere (argon, helium, etc.). This will prevent further toning without the potential issues that come up with a contact sealant.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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Way back in 1964, I sprayed a Kennedy half with acrylic laquer from a can, just for my own amusement. There has been no degradation of the mint lustre at all since that time.

I am loathe to suggest that anybody would follow that lead, but I would appreciate it to know if such an idea would be more widely viable as a method of coin preservation.

Such an approach may help arrest bronze disease in vulnerable bronze coins, for instance.


Toning is caused by exposure of hydrogen sulfide which is VERY prevalent...it's in ALL air. Toning can be essentially completely halted by removing a coin from exposure to air. It's very simple really. There's no need to use lacquer or any other type of chemical. Just put your coin into an Airtite and use multiple protection layers on top of that to halt the toning process.

Bronze "disease" is nothing more than verdigris. I really, really hate the term.....IT IS VERDIGRIS, not a disease. It's easy enough to stop since it is acid catalyzed. Soak the coin in a dilute solution of sodium bicarbonate to neutralize the acids, rinse well with distilled water, rinse with acetone to dehydrate it and store in an Airtite with multiple layers of protection. After that the verdigris formation process will be essentially halted.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ammarabdulfattah to your friends list
Thank you wif99 :P
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 Posted 06/25/2012  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ammarabdulfattah to your friends list
It looks like many of the replies show that no one fully agrees that they truly love all toning, many like some kinds of toning and many others hate the term. I think that all the ways of preservation are amazing. But I think Airtite is the best method. Also loved justcarl's way :D
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 Posted 06/25/2012  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdbooth to your friends list
I only collect small cents and I personally would prefer a BU red coin for my collection, but if I am going to have a RB coin in the collection it will be a toned one if I can help it. When I replace it with a RD it goes straight into my toned collection.

I am not sure if you can ever truly stop the natural toning of a coin. It is more likely that slabs and other air tights just slow down the process. So...all those RD's will be RB and the BN eventually. Enjoy every state your copper coins go through. A BN with a pinwheel luster is AWSOME! To see.
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