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Odd 1941 Wheat Penny ..silver Maybe?

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 Posted 02/03/2014  10:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list

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I take that steel comment back? Confusion in communication with my dad, sorry. It is, however, magnetic...Going to try to locate a coin dealer in my area.


That coin has been plated, PMD.
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 Posted 02/03/2014  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list
I used to work with plated metals for a long long time, and assuming that the plating on this cent is relatively thick here is a simple observational tool that you can use to help identify what it is plated with...

Using a strong light source and a white background an item plated in...

Nickel will have a slightly golden/yellow hue to the finish

Chrome will have a slightly blue hue to the finish

Silver will have a very white color unless tarnished in which it can take on many colors, but tarnish alone is a good indicator it is silver.

Mercury will have a dull grey luster

Zinc will also have a dull grey luster and will quickly oxidize with a with "fuzz" or haze


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 Posted 02/03/2014  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thecarpenterswife to your friends list
Which of these is magnetic? It is strong, as it will "jump" toward the magnet.
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 Posted 02/03/2014  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add unholyroller to your friends list
Nickel is the only magnetic one
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 Posted 02/04/2014  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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It is strong, as it will "jump" toward the magnet

Now you have my interest piqued because typically even a heavy nickel plating will not cause a coin to jump to a magnet. (Might with a rare earth magnet, I haven't tried them and they have such a strong field it might be enough to make a plated coin "jump". But if it can make a plated coin jump it should still be possible to tell because a plated coin should be easy to remove from a rare earth magnet while and actual steel coin should be rather difficult to remove.)

According to to Roger Burdette in his book United States Pattern and Experimental Pieces of WWII, the Philadelphia Mint DID strike experimental stainless steel cents using 1941 cent dies. A total of 50 pieces are recorded as being struck but supposedly they were all destroyed. Unfortunately it does not mention if the alloy was magnetic or not. (Stainless steels can come either way depending on the alloy used.)

Stainless steel planchets were also used for some 1942 pattern production. These did not use regular dies, but if they started them early enough there MIGHT be a chance a planchet could have gotten into the 1941 cent presses. I do not consider this likely. Mor likely wouldbe an escaped 41 pattern, or a leftover planchet for the 41 patterns finding its way into a production press run.

The other steel cent patterns used various plated steel planchets which would not have the shiny appearance of the subject coin.

I find no record of the Mint using steel planchets for any regular production before 1943. Those were zinc plated steel and would not have the shiny appearance of the subject coin.
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 Posted 08/30/2014  01:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jojo63 to your friends list
I have one of these pennies in excellent condition, Been trying or hours online to find out about it. does not react to a magnet period. Did anyone ever find out anything about this coin. 1941 very shiny,wheat penny. not a steel penny for sure
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 Posted 08/30/2014  03:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CopperCastle to your friends list
to CCF Jojo. Normally I think it distasteful to necro a thread but I'm glad you did. What a great read! I'd be delighted to see this conclude. The OP is probably to busy
sailing around the world now on a yacht he traded that coin for.
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 Posted 08/30/2014  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jhanson to your friends list
Hi, I too have a 1941 Wheat penny, it is lighter in weight than other pennies, it is more gold in color with some dark blotching, and makes a different noise than other pennies when hitting other coins/metal.
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 Posted 08/31/2014  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cjspearsdog to your friends list
Unfortunately, We have now discovered that it is actually rarer to have a copper 1943 Lincoln than a shiny silver one. Thanks to the abundance of people that have came forward on this thread with there "now common" silver Lincolns. LOL
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 Posted 01/19/2015  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southern0005 to your friends list
I actually set up for spring cleaning and stumbled back up on this penny. I decided against paying the prices gave to me to verify what I have to assume is worth a penny. Did recently take it back to 2 more jewelers. Had a lot deeper scratch test done. Still haven't hit copper. I kind of forgot and gave up on this. Any need free advice that isn't going cost me $100
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 Posted 01/19/2015  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Silver Searcher to your friends list
Welcome back, Southern. I would say that all of the ways of authentication mentioned 2.5 yeard ago are still the way to go.
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 Posted 01/20/2015  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Had a lot deeper scratch test done. Still haven't hit copper. I kind of forgot and gave up on this. Any need free advice that isn't going cost me $100

Well if you are having scratch tests done you've already cost yourself MORE than $100 if it were to turn out to be real. Just have a specific gravity test done. It isn't that hard, it isn't expensive and it will tell you a lot about the composition.

And don't try using the graduated cylinder method mentioned earlier. With a volume as small as a cent you won't be able to measure the displacement accurately enough to come up with a meaningful result. Measuring displacement works fine when you are dealing with large objects but not with small ones. There the wet weight/dry weight method works MUCH better.
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 Posted 04/25/2017  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinGuy82 to your friends list
Wow! I just found one of these "silver" wheats today in a bag of about 60 wheats,hmm I'm guessing plated is the answer .
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 Posted 05/04/2017  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wolfcryl to your friends list
hi guys , I have become a victim in this odd 1941 silver penny wonder. my mother passed away about 6 months ago an she had some coin books, I hadn't looked at the books because I was quit close with her an didn't want to see things that made me think of her. But as we all know time starts to heal all wounds an I cracked open a few of the books to find she had a few nice pieces an yes 1 of these silver 1941 pennies. here's the difference in mine .... weight 3.03 grams....DOES NOT stick to magnet....an I have copper band around outside an spots of copper here an there....i can't quit tell for 100% if its the copper wearing off or vise versa...id put my money on someone was sitting around with to much free time an decided to play a joke on us all...but I could be wrong.....my question is this if it is plated do we dare strip it off?...anyways heres a few pics.....
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