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The Only Coin On Mars--A 1909 LWC!

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 Posted 09/12/2012  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VGRX to your friends list
VDB ?
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 Posted 09/15/2012  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rachums107 to your friends list
I wonder, if they ever get that thing back, how much it would sell for?
I can just see the slab

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 Posted 09/15/2012  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Schwanke to your friends list
Or will we need a new grading system if they un-earth (un-mars?) some alien currency of some kind?
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 Posted 09/25/2012  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreeMonkey to your friends list
Even closer look.

Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/MSSS

This close-up image shows Martian sand grains that settled on the penny that serves as a calibration target on NASA's Curiosity rover. Image released September 12, 2012.

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 Posted 09/25/2012  02:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
TreeMonkey--thanks for posting that!
I'm now reminded the coin is roughly parallel to the ground.
It should be interesting to see how much dust collects.
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"The public can watch for changes in the penny over the long term on Mars." "Will it change color? Will it corrode? Will it get pitted by windblown sand?" Edgett said.

Of course not. If there are any Martians hiding out there somewhere, and if like us at all, one of them surely is a bum, out of work, needs cash. Wanders by that rover, grabs that coin, comes to Earth and tries to buy something with it. Surprize. It's worthless for purchasing. Gets mad, returns to Mars, smashes that rover to pieces and sells the scrap metal to a recycler.
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 Posted 12/05/2013  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list
Updated photo of the 1909 VDB Lincoln Cent on Mars. This was shot on 10/2/13. It's at the maximum detail level for the MAHLI, Mars Hand Lens Imager at 14 micrometers per pixel.

I want one for Christmas!

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Full details at http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA17365 and a 5.7 MB .tiff file that shows the highest detail that the camera can pick up.

I'm not going to update all the other Mars/Cent threads, just this one.

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 Posted 12/05/2013  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Wow--thanks for posting that Yokozuna! You can really see the progression of dust settling on the cent.
I cannot tell if that is dust of different colors, or some reaction of the copper?
Given the radiation and (some) water on Mars, it might be...?
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You can really see the progression of dust settling on the cent.
Yes.

Thanks for sharing.
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I wonder how much it would sell for at an auction.
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 Posted 12/05/2013  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list
I can just imagine it:
"Send your coin to Mars for conservation. Return time estimated to be 180 years.
Do your heirs a favor and submit now.
Only genuine Martian dust used. No harsh abrasives.
Moderate ultraviolet light damage is a plus.
Minimal atmospheric damage guaranteed.
Be the first on your block."
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I wonder how much it would sell for at an auction.
Well, considering the retrieval cost...

Remember, getting it there was easy. Getting it back...

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 Posted 12/05/2013  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list

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You can really see the progression of dust settling on the cent.


The weird thing is that the dust is not just settling on the surface, it's sticking to the coin for the most part. The Test Focus plate is mounted on the end of a horizontal "box".

I don't know how much of an angle the cent has been exposed to while it rolls around, but the change in angle back to a 90 degree angle to the surface of Mars and the movement doesn't seem to be causing the dust to drop off. Maybe static electricity is holding it in place.


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I wonder how much it would sell for at an auction.


As I see it, the value of the coin, after NASA did what ever they did to it before they sent it up made the coin Harshly Cleaned "Genuine" with VF (?) Details. I might pay $25 for it. Now, NASA Mission, sent to Mars, I'm thinking it's going to add, let's say $100,000 at least!

The bad news... shipping. the original mission was $2.5 billion, including $1.8 billion for spacecraft development and science investigations and additional amounts for launch and operations. So you'd have to work with NASA, design another spacecraft to go to Mars with a special Rover to find the original remove the 1909 V.D.B without damaging the coin or the Curiosity Rover.

More bad news. NASA would have to design and build a SECOND spacecraft to return the 1909 V.D.B. using all remote loading of the cargo, assent staging and control for the return to earth.

I'm thinking $3 billion for the launch from Earth to Mars. This spacecraft will need to have the remote spacecraft and rover inside. Maybe another $5 billion? $6 billion.

Development time 4-5 years, total cost of coin $100,035.00 to maybe $1,000,035. Then $9 to $12 billion in "shipping" + splashdown recovery cost,

So maybe $15 billion to bring it back. The real problem is China sending their own spacecraft up to grab it and start making copies.

I'm thinking it may be a few hundred years before we could get to the point where we can get the coin and get back to earth with the coin and auction it off on ebay.

I tried to use the little "calculator" on ebay to figure the fees for listing, sales amount and PayPal's part, but ebay crashed for about an hour.

I think I'll stick to a 1909 V.D.B. here on Earth. But if it had been a 1909-S V.D.B.. I'd be all over it.
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Here is a thread of the same topic but it has a link to the Gizmodo article describing the penny as the most expensive one in the universe.
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The-Only-Coin-On-Mars--A-1909-LWC!

My sister sent me this snip with the following:

Matt, below is part of the panel. Am I the only female looking at this thing? That is a pallet of 6 eyeshadow colors! They'd look good on me! I just can't believe they aren't eye shadows! The case, the shape...they are eyeshadows! Nasa is pulling a foolie!
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