Is It Fake?

I think, in China, they call it "ART".

Hi, what can you say more?!

well, it's 100% silver>>iam sure of that


"TwoKopeiki"
how do I know that the man who wrote the article came up with the real source of this coin

The writer quotes a poster on these boards, Swamperbob, whos vast knowledge of counterfeits is un-matched. Next time he's around, Bob should be able to confirm the following quote:

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I own a copy of the 1884 Zs 8R counterfeit that uses the IDENTICAL type face to the Maxxico coin. I suspect that the same master die was used on both coins. I own a progression of forgeries of the 1884 Zs coin in which the legend and designs become more and more corrupt. At present I have identified 6 stages in the transformation. I have 13 different coins. The earliest I would peg the transition from J to I is about 1960 — prior to that the forgers at least had the J correct but often used a full J instead of the Straight J. The newest versions often use a $ in place of the s superscripts in the legend. These $ copies date to the post 1985 era. The Maxxico coin comes rather late in the sequence but prior to the $." Based on when he first encountered the Maxxico pieces, he estimates that these have existed at least since 2001, or perhaps even five years earlier than that. "But I have heard from other collectors that they have been around far longer." He laments that we may never know anything factual about these pieces "until we get someone to confess to creating them. I have been able to cultivate a relationship with a couple forgers (the ones that actually make some of these fakes)", all of them from mainland China. Some of them even offer bulk deals on their ersatz merchandise. "But I have never found the Maxxico piece in anyone's inventory."

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~Roman

""gxseries""
you might be right
idid not say its silver becuase I want it to be silver,,i also have poor knowledge to say that becuase of its color> BUT becuase I show it to jeweler and he told me that!!(hw also might be rong)

""TwoKopeiki""
thank you for your kind

""""Thank You Everyone For Your Help I Appreciated""""

namero - Hello and welcome to the forum. I hope you like it.

By now, you have definitely gotten a lot of information on this "Fantasy" coin. But I have a few more comments to add.

First, every copy I have examined of the Maxxico style has been Copper-Nickel. They are always edged with reeds |||||||||. They are normally in the 22 gram weight range.

I collect all types of counterfeits and fantasy issues and have a good feeling for the correct prices and ages. This is a new product that I believe was made in China. I also believe it is not possibly older than 30 years (more likely under 10 years).

I refer to it as a Fantasy because it never actually existed historically (in 1882) so it can not be a "Counterfeit" technically.

However, that all said, this coin is often misrepresented on ebay as both OLD and Silver.

I would be interested in buying a Silver copy (because I have never seen one). I would also be interested in a copy in any metal other than copper-nickel.

There are more than one die pair in use.

Hi Roman, I saw that one and have a reasonable snipe bid on it (for what it is). Some day I hope to hit one of the "silver" copies. There is actually a pairing with a much different bird that I have seen only one time. It used a die very similar to the sun & rays side.

TwoKopeiki I saw that one and put my typical low snipe bid on it. It was made from a later state die and has a "new" finish.

Was everyone aware of the fact that this fantasy was the subject of an ANA Humorous Article in the Numismatist on April 1st. (I think it was two years ago.)