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Help With Identification ..... PMD?

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 Posted 11/02/2012  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robster to your friends list
Blame it on the sixties.!!

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Will throw this in for fun.! First time out of the album since 1964.
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 Posted 11/02/2012  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list
I have quite a few decimal laminations and predecimals laminations. All the predecimals and on copper coins except for one silver threepence. This is one quite nice mate. Lucky it didnt go to the scrap bin.
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 Posted 11/02/2012  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list
Hmmmm....That's an interesting one robster. Similar features on both sides of the coin, and appear to be directly opposite each other.

I don't think I'd be happy making a call on this one without seeing the actual coin, so I'm just sitting on the fence for now (and it's not very comfortable either).
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 Posted 02/13/2013  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list
I thought I would post my "finding" from last night's noodling session under this topic, as I do not know if this is PMD.
This pertains to the lower bar in the "2" of the 1972 Twenty Cent coin. The details here are quite striking. The pattern is not apparent in the surrounding area of the coin, as one may expect with PMD. Picture attached below.

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Squire

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 Posted 02/13/2013  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Candace to your friends list
that little wavy bit is in the wrong spot on the wrong coin javascript:insertsmilie('')javascript:insertsmilie('')javascript:insertsmilie('')javascript:insertsmilie('')
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 Posted 02/13/2013  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list
... maybe it is a new and MUCH rarer type of "wavy"

Squire
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 Posted 02/13/2013  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ozcoins to your friends list
Squire,
That looks like PMD to me.
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 Posted 02/13/2013  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list
Squire, is it my eyes or can I see the number 5 about 1/4" down from the base of the 2 and 1/4" to the right of the claw?
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 Posted 02/13/2013  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list
...yes, I think you are right The Unicorn .
That would indicate that it is likely to be PMD.
I shall have a closer look at the coin tonight and try to take a better picture.

Thanks a lot for your input, The Unicorn, Candace and ozcoins .

Squire

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 Posted 02/14/2013  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter S Thomas to your friends list
Ok going back to the original coin, consensus or in this coinsensus, indicates that this is a lamination.

Just some thoughts on how this may have come about.

There is a distinct deeper part of the flaw near the II. This makes me think that a piece of slag occupied that spot. This caused a weakness in the metal that during rolling expanded.

The final blow, as it were, was the coin press that finally caused the metal above the slag to lit during minting, tearing back the metal which finally broke of leaving the "tag" near Liz.

The cracks radiating out from the "flaw" could also be explained by the presence of the slag in the original billet.

maybe....

Still a nice addition though however it came about.
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 Posted 02/14/2013  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robster to your friends list
And it shall be named "the Valentines Day Massacre".!
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 Posted 02/14/2013  05:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Candace to your friends list
Owhhh feel the love javascript:insertsmilie('')
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 Posted 02/14/2013  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list
I have examined the 1972 20 cent coin mentioned previously in greater detail.
I have attached a pic below.
Under the Lupe the "5" mentioned by The Unicorn reveals itself as three scratches (yellow circle).
The semicircular indentation has a raised rim (red dotted line, also annotated by blue arrow).

So, not a "MUCH rarer type of "wavy"". Just PMD

Squire

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 Posted 02/14/2013  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list
Excellent pics Squire!

That's amazing that it's 3 scraches .... I love it, looks like a lovely 5 (even on the closeups).

Hopefully the real wavy next time eh!
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 Posted 02/14/2013  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Squire Wilson to your friends list
I have a "wavy" in my collection already.
But a "companion" is always appreciated !.

I showed the wavy to my Valentine yesterday .
I think she appreciated its uniqueness and value

Squire
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