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Rest in Peace
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Very nice Morgan! It appears to be all of MS63 from the photos. AS far as the DMPL designation, it's a definitive test of reflectivity of print at a distance of 4" I think. Check this out courtesy of westcoin in a prior post http://coins.about.com/od/uscoins/f..._morgans.htm
Edited by dave700x 11/17/2012 1:04 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Hard to tell if it is DMPL from your photos. You might want to remove it from the 2 x 2 and take a few more shots to get a better opinion. It's probably still worth getting slabbed.
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DMPL? You're going to want to be able to read standard newsprint clearly, reflected in the fields of the coin, at a bare minimum of 6" away. DMPL is not easy. The toning won't affect things, because there's enough clean field left on both faces to make the experiment possible. If you haven't seen a true DMPL Morgan, you'll be staggered by what you see. You don't dare look at a light bulb reflected in one, much less the sun. They're literally perfect mirrors, quite clear enough to shave in.
And both fields must demonstrate this reflectivity for it to get either PL or DMPL.
Keep in mind, 1880-S isn't an uncommon date with PL/DMPL surfaces. This coin's auction value won't reach $300 in MS63 DMPL.
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Valued Member
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Ok thanks for the responses. Should I get it slabbed?
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Bedrock of the Community
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I wanted to add that if all you posted were the first pictures I would have said the Reverse may be DMPL but it didn't look like the Obverse had DMPL fields. The second pictures show that the Obverse may also have those fields but it could just be the lighting that makes it look that way. A reflection is needed to be able to judge how proof like the fields are if at all
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Valued Member
United States
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Morgans are generally easy enough to grade without a slab. With the chatter on the cheek, I wouldn't bother slabbing, but it's your choice
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I am not sure if it would qualify for DMPL. Both sides have to be DMPL and while the reverse might be DMPL, the obverse might not. What I am a bit concerned about is the toning. Toning tends to have a natural progression from yellow to magenta to blue and I am not quite seen that band of magenta in between the yellow and blue. Also the toning seems to flow over the hair and lettering without care for elevation. What is often seen on naturally toned coins is lower elevations have a different color than on higher elevations even when they are right next to one another. While the lack of it is not an automatic sign of AT, the presence of breakaway toning would confirm it is naturally toned which I don't see on this coin. I would not be too surprised if a TPG decided to call the toning questionable. MS-63 looks like it could be a reasonable grade but I am not sure from the pictures. I wished I could have been a bit more upbeat on this coin.
Edited by D0ubl3Eagle 11/17/2012 10:40 pm
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Valued Member
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Does artificial toning hurt the value of the coin?
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It would, but I don't see them calling your coin AT.
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Valued Member
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Thanks everyone. I am still learning as I go, but I paid $90 for the coin. How did I do?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would be interested in hearing why a they would not call it questionable toning. I can't say with 100% certainty if it is AT or not but my previous post shows where I lean. I have been wrong before and could be with this coin. If you do submit, I wish you the best.
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Pillar of the Community
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I think with AT they would have done the entire coin not just that one edge.
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$90 isn't unreasonable. Even if maybe a bit high for the very-common 1880-S at that grade, the toning is enough to perk up the ears of toning aficionados. You'd make that up easily on resale.
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I bought a common-date, DMPL Morgan once that had symmetrical, colorful toning crescents on both sides. I later resold it and the buyer eventually decided it had been whizzed, then artificially toned. I wasn't completely sure but he did share some detailed photos that confirmed some kind of surface alteration had been performed. I offered his money back but he decided to hang onto it.
My coin was actually brighter-colored than this 1880-S. Personally I find its color too dark to be attractive and the half-moon tone pattern on the obverse is rather odd. All in all, based on my previous questionable purchase I would not buy this 1880-S, even for $90. I also would not invest a grading fee, but if you choose to take a chance maybe it will work out. Good luck!
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