1964 Error Over 4

Pyrbob you sure that looks like a die crack to me

The reason it looks like a crack is because of the angle of the light source when the photo was taken. The light was on the left side so it lights up the high part of the cut and the valley from the cut on the right side is just a dark shadow. Here are the things that shot up red flags to me against it being a die crack. 1) Die cracks that run from the rim to the field are thicker at the rim than they are where they end in the field. 2) They typically run in a jagged direction an are not perfectly straight. 3) They are on the die so they only affect the coin where the die strikes it.

Now look at the closeup above. The cut is straight and a constant thickness. Look at the lower part of the 4. The cut is deeper on the bottom serif of the 4. I see a lighter area on the right side of the ofd the cut here telling me the cut is angled from the right down to the left at an angle. Finally look below the 4. The cut comes past where the die had contact with the coin and comes down around part of the edge. Then there is a second cut at the intersection of the rim and the edge to the right of the main cut that didn't make it up into the field.

I think if a second closeup photo was taken with the light source on the right the cut would be easier to see.

Well, if you would have said it like that in the first place Pyrbob, I don't think any of us would have argued with you. Very good points! A picture with the light source at the right of the error should completely verify what you said.

Simply telling someone what something is usually won't convince anyone. A little information goes a long way.

Hehe, not trying to sound rude or anything sorry if it comes off that way I see how it could. I'm just saying, most people need some kind of explanation or convincing to get them off their opinions (me included). I actually started to question what I said after noticing it on the rim of the coin (where the die does not strike), but I thought I'd leave the post there to get further information. Hey, I learned something new. Sorry for being such a hassle guys. :D

thanks Prybob always a good day when ya learn sumtin

Its actually all raised & curls over & stops on the face of the coin, then continues raised back onto the S, then to a point. There is a 2nd line thats hiding on the rims' edge too, which is also raised. Ill get on taking more pics on a different angle.

Just FYI, the "crack" can still be raised if the coin was cut.... If it was cut from the right, it would APPEAR raised when the light hits the left side of it like a couple of us said before.. When a coin is cut, especially at an extreme angle, it will leave a flap of metal, the metal that appears to be raised on this coin. All the thread starter has to do is take a picture where the light hits the RIGHT side of the "cut" or "crack" and we will know.

From what it sounds like, it's just a flap of metal caused by a cut:
"Its actually all raised & curls over & stops on the face of the coin"

Sounds like it was cut, and the piece of metal that was hanging off was bent and curled over so it seems like a bump.

It can't be something on the die, because the "crack" extends to the very edge of the coin. The die doesn't strike onto the rim and to the edge of the coin... so if it was on the die, it would stop at the rim not the very edge of the coin. I'm almost positive this "crack" was NOT on a die. It extends beyond where the die would strike therefore making it impossible to have been on the die.

But like I've said before... a picture from a different angle would help a ton. You'd be surprised at what you could hide on a coin just by using the right lighting angle.