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You Vs. NGC 1814 CBH: Grade Revealed

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 Posted 12/19/2012  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list
I'm jumping on the F15 bandwagon.
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 Posted 12/19/2012  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mds308 to your friends list
Still learning but I'm going with F20.
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 Posted 12/19/2012  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list
This one is a little bit of a puzzle to me to grade. The obverse looks VF30 to me with a few scratches and a small gouge or two. The reverse is weak but I attribute that to the strike and worn dies. A nice slightly off-center strike too!

Overall, I, personally, think it's still a VF coin so I'm going with VF25. (I think NGC will too!)
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 Posted 12/19/2012  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joe2007 to your friends list
I'm in agreement with Moe. It looks like a VF25 to me.
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 Posted 12/19/2012  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list

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attribute that to the strike and worn dies.


Is it possible to quantitatively and accurately differentiate between normal handling wear and a worn die hundreds of years after a coin has been minted?

This issue has always bugged me...

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 Posted 12/19/2012  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Thanks for all the grades and comments. I'll reveal the slab later tonight.


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Is it possible to quantitatively and accurately differentiate between normal handling wear and a worn die hundreds of years after a coin has been minted?


Sometimes it is by studying the highest relief points of a known series. Oftentimes it is guess work usually reserved for pieces XF and above.

On this coin's reverse, the eagle's left wing (upper portion) is notorious for "soft" strikes. The incomplete feather detail could be attributed to strike weakness rather than circulation wear.
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 Posted 12/19/2012  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kman to your friends list
Don't know much about these but I'm going with xf40
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 Posted 12/19/2012  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
VF25 maybe even a VF30 I could even see this coin in an EF40 holder - if I had it in hand to inspect. The reverse is sure nice but a couple of scratches I'd need to see up close. I think the die was worn and the strike was weak, this coin is great!
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 Posted 12/19/2012  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lobby to your friends list
It has very strange wear. One half of the coin is quite worn, the other half is in nice shape. Since the TPG's tend to assign grades on the poorest section of the coin (I've heard), I'm guessing F-12 to F-15.

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 Posted 12/19/2012  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add babysitr to your friends list
Might squeak out a VF-20,,,but I doubt it......F-18
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I will guess VF-25.
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VF30
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 Posted 12/19/2012  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
Thank you for the grades and comments! We had guesses as low as F12 all the way up to XF40. NGC assigned an F15 grade. This coin compares very well with many PCGS and NGC graded VF20 pieces. I like it as a strong Fine and would likely go F18 if TPG used it.

Thanks again!

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 Posted 12/20/2012  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
money...great coin nonetheless and maybe based on expert opinions/guesses made here its worth a crack and send to a PCGS to possibly notch it up to a VF20/25/30?
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