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20$ 1924 Fake Or Not?

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 Posted 02/05/2013  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lex1705 to your friends list
I've done something wrong with the scales and now it shows 0.98 gr. for one euro cent,but it must be 2.3 gr. :)
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 Posted 02/05/2013  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list
Maybe the scale should be authenticated instead of the coin...
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 Posted 02/05/2013  5:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
The coin looks like it has been improperly cleaned if those pictures are at all adequate and if it's real.
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 Posted 02/05/2013  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lex1705 to your friends list
I'll try to work out the problem with the scale as soon,as I can.
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 Posted 02/05/2013  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lex1705 to your friends list
The last two are scans,color is wrong,but it shows good a relief.
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 Posted 02/05/2013  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list
If it needs 50 grams, give it 10 nickels in good shape. Each nickel is 5 grams, so it should average out to within a very small fraction of a gram to 50.
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 Posted 02/05/2013  6:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I'm an advocate of both scans and images of any given coin; scans don't care much about reflection and are capable of showing details which a photographic image might mask. The images here, though, are excellent representations of color and luster. Added up, I see here a Double Eagle of appropriate color/luster and the slightest bit of circulation, one which has been used a little bit in the bullion sense of a Trade coin.
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 Posted 02/05/2013  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
Here is a link for counterfeit 1924 Saint diagnostics paper from Brian Silliman and the ANA.

http://www.money.org/media/6741/192...udens$20.pdf

I don't see any marks on your example that alert me right away, but you can see up closer yourself, check all the diagnostic tooling marks against the article photos and your coin. I'd still spend the money to have it certified, not only to ease my own mind, but that would aid in resale if and when the time comes.

I've seen some incredibly well made counterfeit saints while taking the ANA Counterfeit Detection course at the ANA Summer Seminar, it's really pretty amazing just how good they can be made.

The famous 1907 Omega coins come to mind, the maker "Omega" put an omega sign on his coins, presumably so he wouldn't buy back his own creations. Other than that minuscule mark, the coin is just about perfect when compared to a real one.

--copy from wikipedia--
Among the examples of counterfeits of high-value collectible coins are the "Omega" coins produced in the early 1970s by an unknown counterfeiter who signed his creations with a miniature Greek letter omega. He is believed to have made over 20,000 fake 1907 high-relief nominally US$20 gold Double Eagle coins with the signature omega in the claw of the eagle, worth hundreds of millions of dollars at today's prices. His counterfeits are of such high quality that collectors will pay upwards of $1,000 for one; although a genuine coin sells for about $50,000 to $100,000. The same counterfeiter also counterfeited other US gold coins, including a large quantity of $3 gold pieces, dated 1874, 1878 and 1882, with the 1882 being the most prevalent. Two of the counterfeit $10 gold pieces, the 1913-P and 1926-P, have the omega placed upside down within the upper loop of the "R" of "LIBERTY" in the Indian's headdress.
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Interesting that the Omega saints are so well known (20,000+ known to have been made) that they sell in their own right as collector pieces now.
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 Posted 02/05/2013  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
The coin looks fine to me. I don't see anything that would make me suspicious like mushy details, depressions, and/or tools marks.
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 Posted 02/05/2013  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list

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Interesting that the Omega saints are so well known (20,000+ known to have been made) that they sell in their own right as collector pieces now.


I wish I had the budget to have one for my collection.
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 Posted 02/05/2013  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lex1705 to your friends list
SteveCaruso thank you,but I don't have 10 nickels,I've calibrated it with 4x proof silver halfs.Yet is the 20$ 33.33 gr..
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 Posted 02/06/2013  06:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lex1705 to your friends list
I think my scale is broken!Today it shows already 14.34 gr. for Franklin's half in proof!
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 Posted 02/06/2013  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Try changing the batteries. Low batteries can give you off weights, although they will usually be inconsistent from one weighing to the next.

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 Posted 02/06/2013  12:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lex1705 to your friends list
However,thanks a lot to everyone!
I would like to sent the coin to PCGS or NGC,but there are a lot of problems with germany's customs(
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 Posted 02/06/2013  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lex1705 to your friends list
Conder101 It doesn't help(
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