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Toning Experiment Ideas And/Or Donations Wanted

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 Posted 02/14/2013  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list
Oh you can tone a silver coin with just a hard boiled egg yolk. Doesn't have to be rotten.
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 Posted 02/14/2013  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Gun bluing solutions work great.
Now here is something you might want to try. Take the power out of a firecracker or gun ammo. Place in a zip lock plastic bag. Add any coins to that bag. Roll the bag tight and seal with glue. Place bag in a coffee type Aluminum can and almost seal the top closed. Throw a lighted match in the can. RUN. NO it does not tone coins but most likely you'll never find it to prove yes or no anyway.
Actually the Sulfur in the powder may well tone the coins fast.
Just leaving those coins in that powder may do more than most other items. NO MATCH though.
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02/14/2013 4:32 pm
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 Posted 02/15/2013  08:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mds308 to your friends list
I did some more thinking on this topic (goes to show I have way too much free time) and I would NOT use cigarette smoke for toning. I have been dealing in antiques/collectibles for over 20 years. The estates I have worked or bought items from that belonged to cigarette smokers had a sticky, yellow, tar-like film on everything in the house. The smoke and nicotine will ruin everything. I guess it wouldn't hurt to experiment but I don't think I would do this to numerous coins. The only thing cigarette smoke is good for is toning healthy lungs.
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 Posted 02/18/2013  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerc20 to your friends list
Hello all,

I don't want to discuss my technique because it could really cause some problems in the collecting world, but this 1909S VDB was a bright shiny Chinese fake I got from ebay about four years back. I discovered a technique to age/tone it so it is very close to an original. I could easily do the same with a modern cent but haven't gotten around to it lately.

I did this about a couple years ago with a few different coins but haven't experimented since. If someone would like, I could try to do a Y2K cent and see how it turns out.

Mike

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 Posted 02/18/2013  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mmerc20 to your friends list
Oh, and it only took about one hour of work and two days in the "magic" solution.
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 Posted 02/19/2013  02:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoldenChest to your friends list
Hmm thats interesting. I'm curious yet see why you dont want to post your magic, lol
Picked up the pennies and dimes for the experiment, fresh bamk rolls . Argentum has donated.some wheat cents and I've thrown in some too. I just need to get some older junk silver and then I can start it. Ill post a list of the different conditions each set of coins will be subjected too. Probally tommorrow night. Exciting!
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 Posted 02/19/2013  02:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kg5 to your friends list
Cheating is cheating it can not be changed, it is totally wrong.

To purposely go out a deceive a person about toning.....

After reading this I will never buy a coin because of toning!

just carl and sel_69l have given the best newbie answer to toning. Heaps of info and terms to search for.

Plus I have been given an understanding about where I stand with toning when it come to the area of collecting I am interested in.



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 Posted 02/19/2013  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoldenChest to your friends list


Not surr who thats directed @.
Sel_69l has.'t even replied to this thread.
Unless you meant to reply to the toning thread you started?


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 Posted 02/19/2013  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kg5 to your friends list
Hi GoldenChest.

Simply really if you are doing wrong then it is you.If you are not doing wrong then it is not you.


Quote:
Cheating is cheating it can not be changed, it is totally wrong.

To purposely go out a deceive a person about toning.....

After reading this I will never buy a coin because of toning


But I add there is the question in collectables that this sort of information could be use by some one to......


Quote:
To purposely go out a deceive a person about toning.....


And Yes I treasure the info I have been given about toning on my thread by the people you have mentioned.

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02/19/2013 6:20 pm
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 Posted 02/20/2013  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoldenChest to your friends list
Ah I see what you are saying now. I've been thinking about that a lot actually and decided that I wont post the how-to of each experiment, just the whats, to help deter this information from being used wrong.
I also hope that it will show others what to look out for when looking at toned coins, give them a heads up on what artifically toned coins might look like. I'll be posting the whats of the experiment in a few minutes.
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 Posted 02/20/2013  12:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GoldenChest to your friends list
Ok so this is the list thus far of what I'm going to try toning with.

There are 4 catalysts.
Direct Sunlight
Cold-Freezer
Dark Heat- bottom of oven or on top of hot water heater, haven't decided yet.
UV Light

Each catalyst will have each of the following elements, safety pending.
1. A control
2. Taco Bell Napkin
3. McDonald's Napkin
4. Fast food grease
5. Cigarette smoke
6. Human Sweat
7. Nail Polish remover, not pure kind.
8. Motor oil
9. Windex
10. Laundry Soap
11. Dryer sheet
12. CLR
13. bleach
14. Sulfur Containing shampoo
15. Raw onion

I believe a have enough silver nickels for each group, just waiting on getting some silver junk dime and we can start.
Each group will have the following coins.
1 ea BU quarter, dime, nickel, Lincoln. mostly 2012s
1 Lincoln Cent 1959-82
1 Wheat penny, cleaned
1 G4 silver nickel
1 silver dime

So I will have 60 of each coin total face value of $34.80. And I plan on rinsing all the coins with acetone before the experiment so they all start off on the same level.
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02/20/2013 12:24 am
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 Posted 02/20/2013  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Try this. Blow your nose on a coin. Allow to dry for several days in bright Sunlight, preferably on an outdoor wooded table. Keep moist by adding spit once in a while. If the coin vanishes, always remember the crook may end up with all kinds of illnesses. And after several days, you would also find not much happened to the coin. If it did tone, more than likely from the weather.
Just don't know why so many people waste time attempting to tone coins.
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 Posted 12/30/2015  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eric ramsdell to your friends list
The following information is provided for educational purposes only. I encourage users of this information to experiment with the various recipes in order to better learn what artificial toning (both poorly and well done) looks like.

I must also caution users of this information that it is highly unethical to knowingly sell an artificially toned coin without making that fact known to the buyer.

1) Cigar or cigarette smoke, directed at a coin's surface will produce a light brown tone. Frequent repitition of this proceedure will produce darker browns. (tip-off....smell the coin!)
2) Place a coin in a paper coin envelope, bake for 30 minutes in a 300 degree oven. The coin will be a bit dull, but have taken on shades of purple, yellowish-green, or dark blue. "Over-cooked" coins can appear dull dark gray/blue/black. (tip-off...dull surfaces).
3) A weak sulphur solution, diluted with alcohol or water, will yield gold, golden-brown towns. A stronger solution will yield deep purplish-blue tones. Too strong a solution will yield gunmetal gray surfaces. This is a very deceptive method if "done right".
4) Coat a coin with corn oil, and bake inside a foil wrapped baked potato. A purplish-blue, or orange color will result.
5) Brush a coins with a blend of motor oil and corn oil. Bake at 275-300 degrees for an hour. Deep blue/purple colors appear.
6) Make a solution of sulphur powder and alcohol. The sulphur powder will not dissolve...but that is okay. Dip a coin into the solution, and set the coin on a table. Set the alcohol on fire, and let it burn out. Repeated "burnings" yield varying shades of gold-brown-blue-purple-black.
7) Sulphur ointment (home brew = vaseline+sulphur powder) can be used to retone or touch up copper coins.
8) Coins painted with gun bluing solution can yield various shades of the color spectrum.
9) A coin soaked in dandruff shampoo, for a couple of days, can produce green, yellow, and brown colors.
10) Place a coin into a hot toaster or on a hot frying pan. It will eventually take on a dull gray or black color.
11) Placing a coin in a paper envelope, or plastic holder...or a sealed proof set...in a sunny windowsill for a long period (1 to 3 months) will eventually result in a variety of colors. The coins may look "sick" or faded though.
12) Submerge a coin in a weak solution of sulphurated potash (liver of sulphur) for 5 seconds. Various colors can be had with each repeated dipping.
13) Place an inexpensive gold coin in a jar of "jeweluster " coin dip. Let sit for a couple of weeks. Dipping silver coins in this new "smart dip" will give the a golden tone.
So grab a few Washington quarters....they are great to experiment with.....and try a few of these. But be careful not to burn, electrocute, or poison yourself with this stuff!!
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 Posted 12/30/2015  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list
Otay when I was in welding class I learned that urine on copper was one of the easiest ways to tone copper weather vanes that weren't varnished or treated with other finishes also I've been naturally trying to tone both silver and clad coins by leaving them outdoors all year long usually in a shed and sometimes for days unprotected in the sun and rain for a couple of days whenever the mood inspires me. I've be doing this about 5 or 6 years now. I haven't messed with them since last year and they were starting to tone but I really wasn't too impressed but maybe because it was to early. Wow I really want to run out and check em now but I can wait a bit more before I check em again. Oh yes I did do something a little different. I did put some of the coins in some envelopes that I bought at an old antique shop that was going out of business from the 40's and 50's that I'm sure had suffer in the composition of the paper.
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 Posted 12/30/2015  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eric ramsdell to your friends list
the ones in the envolope are probably black or dark blue thats a long time
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