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Ok....next question.... I search rolls of pennies from the 60's and 70's and you see alot that are stained or have finger prints on them, even nicked up with surface marks ....are they still BU?
Edited by rmc
03/15/2013 1:23 pm
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Canada
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The old terms were always:
Brilliant Uncirculated
Choice Brilliant Uncirculated
Gem Brilliant Uncirculated
Which I thought equated to:
BU = MS60
Choice BU = MS63 or 64
Gem BU = MS65
Edited by doubleeagle59
03/15/2013 1:10 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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... you see alot that are stained or have finger prints on them, even nicked up with surface marks... are they still BU? No,.. BU means Uncirculated if they have marks or such on the coins they have been circulated. |
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... you see alot that are stained or have finger prints on them, even nicked up with surface marks... are they still BU?
No,.. BU means Uncirculated if they have marks or such on the coins they have been circulated.
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Yes, it does mean they're still BU.
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Australia
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I use 4 terms for uncirculated coins
"Brilliant Uncirculated" isn't one of them
1/ Uncirculated = MS60-62
2/ Choice Uncirculated = MS 62-64
3/ Gem Uncirculated =MS 64-69
4/ FDC = MS70
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Valued Member
Canada
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lol.....SHAFTA9a says no and doubleeagle59 says yes...Im still confused.
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Do it this way, rmc... if you took a coin out of your pocket and the rim was dinged and had fingerprints over it.. would it be Uncirculated?
When I buy a UNC coin I want it to be UNC!
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Canada
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Ok...that is understandable...but if you have a uncircualted roll, why would there be nicks and finger prints on them? The newer rolls dont seem to have this problem but the 60's, 70's and even 80's rolls have these issues. They were never in circulation but still have nicks and prints
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Canada
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If I get a coin from the Mint, totally untouched and totally 'MS' and then I put one fingerprint on it and say I drop it on the floor and the coin gets, let's say two very small 'hits' close to the rim, you're telling me this coin is not still an MS?
Of course it has to be still an MS coin.
If you argue against this and say this coin is NOT MS, then you better be prepared to take 90% of MS graded coins off the market and downgrade them to AU.
and while we're at it.....
if you think dipping is cleaning, then you should take 90% of brilliant white coins off the market,
and if you think toning is natural and has not been 'messed' with in any way, then you'd be gravely disappointed with about 90% of all toned coins out there.
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03/15/2013 9:15 pm
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When I started collecting back in the early 70's, the terms used were uncirculated and brilliant uncirculated. Uncirculated meant a baggy or ugly looking uncirculated, and brilliant uncirculated meant a nice looking uncirculated.
I guess Unc roughly corresponded to MS60-MS62 and BU roughly corresponded to MS62-MS63 and up.
Today, at times BU might mean from a mint set, not a circulation strike.
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Canada
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Brilliant Uncirculated = MSBS
The term is quite self-explanatory and has no grade equivalent
A PL or specimen coin can also be described as BU
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Canada
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Hmmmm....everyone seems to have a different opinion on what "BU" means, but the crazy thing is, all of you seem to be right. I'm beginning to think that at one time "BU" really meant something and was a actual grade but today its nothing more than a useless term people use because they are afraid to label it with a MS number. I really dont think there is a right or wrong answer here...the grade of a coin is one mans opinion and will always be highly debated. Does this sound fair?
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03/16/2013 08:49 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Why do Canadian coins rarely grade higher than ms66 with ICCS but in the us they commonly have ms67 cents of all types?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Because generally speaking ICCS ms65 = PCGS ms66 and ICCS ms66 = PCGS ms67
Check out the pop reports of each company and the numbers match closely.
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The way I see it, there is no MS # equivalent to brilliant uncirculated. BU can describe a coin anywhere from MS-60 to MS-70 but I tend to see the term used more often with coins that would otherwise grade MS-60 to MS-62 since it is probably easier to sell these coins when they are described as brilliant uncirculated rather than something like baggy uncirculated. Neither of which, I think would be an inaccurate statement. The descriptive terms that I typically think of are: Uncirculated= MS-60 to MS-62 Choice uncirculated= MS-63 to MS-64 Gem uncirculated= MS-65 to MS-66 Superb uncirculated= MS-67 to MS-69 Perfect uncirculated= MS-70 Just my Two Cents. |
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