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Commodity Crash! When Does The Numismatic Value Outweigh Bv?

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 Posted 04/15/2013  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list
Coins that trade like commodities (think 1966 VF quarters) will be the most affected. Although, when I was going through ebay on the weekend people still seem to be happily paying $30+/oz.... Coins that trade more on supply and demand won't be significantly affected. As one of the other members pointed out on a previous thread, if a 1 oz silver NCLT coin is selling for $149 then the fact that the value of the silver in it has dropped from $30 to $25 isn't really significant. Similarly a 1947 MS66 ML dollar currently listing at $6.3k won't be affected by a $3 decrease in its precious metal value.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AZTAMT to your friends list
Silver now at $22.81......Falling fast.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list
Whenever the price falls below what the seller paid for them.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fatman to your friends list
Great topic and I too was just about to pose this very question. Subscribed to this topic.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list
Coins that will benefit the most from this drop in silver price will probably be things like VF George VI and MS60-62 QEII coins.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I have over 10 gold coins that are more than 1,000 years old.
Even with this class of coins, the variation in their gold value DOES have some influence.
I also have a small amount of bullion.
Overall, PM pricing does not concern me very much, but I DO watch bullion markets with interest.

That puts me in a position of forming my opinions in a DISpassionate manner.

Would I be more inclined to buy numismatic gold now? A mild 'yes'.
Would I be more inclined to buy bullion PM's now? A stronger 'yes'.
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 Posted 04/15/2013  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list
Fear of central banks selling gold reserves thereby flooding the supply side leads to a drop in price forcing hedge funds and other leveraged 'owners' to sell causing a further drop in price continuing until the vulnerable positions are unwound and the surge in supply has finished working its way through the system. While it is certainly a better time to buy than, for example, last week, don't take that to mean there are guaranteed short term profits available in PMs right now. I wouldn't presume to call the bottom on this but prices still have a long way to fall to return to historical norms. And no, I'm not saying that they will fall that far either. I have no clue. Hedge your bets and proceed cautiously with any moves.
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 Posted 04/17/2013  8:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add youngloonie to your friends list
I have been waiting for an event like this to buy pre-1967 quarters, dimes, etc
Perfect time to collect, but not invest
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 Posted 04/18/2013  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list
True. Good time to buy. Not so much to sell.
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 Posted 04/18/2013  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brexzz1 to your friends list
Thats what everyone here kept saying when silver was $29
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 Posted 04/18/2013  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pimpim to your friends list
Since the crash the demand for physical PM has increased. It's not a time to sell. One thing that I found funny is that kitco has no more canadian bullion for sale in the last three days. Yesterday you had a choice of only six silver bullion available.
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 Posted 04/18/2013  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list
@brexzz1 Not me! :-)

@pimpim Yes, people who bought when silver was at $32 aren't going to sell when it's at $22 unless they have to. They'll sit on it a while waiting for a price recovery. Supply will drop and prices may go back up (if demand stays constant or increases etc etc)
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 Posted 04/18/2013  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dialog_gvf to your friends list

The gold miner stocks have been obliterated by the fall. Barrick trades for less than it did when gold was $350 an ounce. In fact, it it is back where it was 20 years ago. From an all-time high to 1993 in 15 months.

How many mines can make money with sub $1400 gold?


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 Posted 04/24/2013  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pimpim to your friends list
Premium for silver maple leaf is 22% today.
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 Posted 04/24/2013  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kuh_85 to your friends list
@dialog_gvf Production costs for mines vary significantly but are usually in the range of $700-$900/oz. So gold still has a long way to fall before they start shutting down production as no longer being cost effectiveness. My understanding is that the concern is the life of the mines owned by the mining companies. I don't remember the exact numbers but say the life of a mine is 20-30 years. So if it's been running for 15 years the company's production could drop off a cliff in as little as five years. The companies aren't finding enough new deposits and opening enough new mines to replace that production. Add in political instability around many of the existing/future mines (the mine may be great find but if the country nationalizes it then the company doesn't get any of the profits) and the risk of the price of gold returning to historical norms and a couple of major missteps by large companies and you can see why they're getting hammered on the stock prices.
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