A New Arrival - From Ebay - What Is It?

Well, great quick responses.

The coin is a counterfeit. But no one has the right answer.

First: It is the Correct weight
Second: It is the correct silver assay
Third: It is a struck coin - three times actually
Fourth: The color in the scan is off - it is not coppery in person

Here is a clue.


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The ebay auction states 1802 when this is an 1800. The date looks handmade almost.

graceoutcast - Getting Warm.

The denticles are incorrect. I'm trying to remember, I believe it has to do with the order in which they were put on the coin.
Jim

The simple fact is this coin never existed.

In 1800 Mexico City used assayer initials FM. In 1802, the assayer initials were FT. That fact alone proves it is a forgery.

The edge proves it was made in the Northeast US between 1870 and the 1890s.


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It is a struck silver contemporary counterfeit made for use in China. This was the period in time when US silver prices were falling rapidly and the Chinese merchants were paying 105% of face for Bustman Dollars. Silver prices dropped from the $1 per ounce range to under 40 cents an ounce. It got so bad that Japan demonetized foreign silver dollars and applied the Gin countermarks to their own Yen coins.

The shot I took of the edge shows two really good in person clues which prove this is a fake. They can be used when the date mint assayer combo did exist. Note the diagonal grip marks OVER the edge design on one part and the WAVY application on the other half.

I guess checking for "existence" should be the first step :)

Nice Boston!

Here is another case - now on ebay - which if you check DID NOT EXIST.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1819-MEXICO-SIL...II_W0QQitemZ290118794461QQihZ019QQcategoryZ541QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This one is Modern Chinese but in my experience it is usually a silver copy very near full weight. The dies are transferred - not engraved like the Boston Forgeries were.