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Constantine The Great And 1700 Years Of Edict Of Milan

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 Posted 07/17/2013  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list
Dang, I wish I lived in Europe. (most of the time)

This was a wonderful post, thank you!
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 Posted 07/17/2013  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Great post, I found this one very interesting and along my new collecting interests.
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 Posted 07/17/2013  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list
thanks for sharing those!
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 Posted 07/17/2013  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mvojnovic to your friends list
This is my favorite:
one out of two gold helmets :)

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and here is one better pic

http://www.artiscenter.com/wp-conte...irmium-1.jpg
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 Posted 07/17/2013  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mvojnovic to your friends list
can you guess who is on first two pics in first post?

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 Posted 07/18/2013  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
I will venture a guess .... The two principals involved in the 'Edict', Constantine and Licinius.
The Edict of Milan is a curious piece of legislation. It established complete religious toleration throughout the Empire both East and West. But as Edward Gibbon pointed out so very long ago (1776), Within less than twenty years the rules were amended. You were allowed complete freedom of religion with one condition. If you practiced the 'New' faith you were required to conform to the Orthodox (aka Catholic) faith. The penalty for straying from the 'One true faith' was harsh ...... Death. While apparently rarely if ever enforced it betrayed the intolerance which zealots are ever so fond of enforcing on their neighbors. And made the new Christians not all that different from the great persecutors whom they so reviled.

It is somewhat ironic that when Constantine was baptised either on his deathbed or as some suspect 'post mortem' the ceremony was performed by a "heretic" Arian Bishop.

When I hear some people mention the religious intolerance in some modern Nation States which were once Roman Provinces and they dismiss this as a modern phenomenon related to an "evil" belief system I ask them how they explain the religious riots and lethal controversies which plagued great cities such as Alexandria in the 4th Century.
I get a rather blank look as they have no idea that 'slaying' people who pray differently than you is an extremely old custom.
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 Posted 07/18/2013  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mvojnovic to your friends list

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I will venture a guess .... The two principals involved in the 'Edict', Constantine and Licinius.


You just got the first one right :)
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 Posted 07/18/2013  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list
Hmmm ..... Does not look like Diocletian.
Perhaps that indomitable old pain in the backside (and father inlaw too)
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 Posted 07/19/2013  02:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mvojnovic to your friends list

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Hmmm ..... Does not look like Diocletian.
Perhaps that indomitable old pain in the backside (and father inlaw too)
Maximianus


Nope
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 Posted 07/19/2013  04:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
Galerius?
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 Posted 07/19/2013  07:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mvojnovic to your friends list

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Galerius?


Bravoo



That head was found in Gamzigrad (Felix Romuliana) built by Emperor Galerius himself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamzigrad-Romuliana
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 Posted 07/19/2013  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Masis to your friends list
Superb exhibition I am sure, thank you for sharing!
If you get a chance to go again, or visit any other Roman sites in Serbia (and there are many) please post here.

The helmets are fantastic.
In my opinion, the elaborateness is more seen in the "Barbarians" than the regular Roman army.
However by the 4th century "Barbarians" were enlisted into the Roman army under their own "Barbarian" leader, whilst before that they were auxillaries under a Roman leader.

So a "Barbarian" would have worn that elaborate helmet, yet still could have served for Rome.

The "Barbarians" I have in mind are the Ostrogoths.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrogoths

The helmets give a better impression of "Barbarian" Bling than the sorry state of the East Angle Helmet of King Raedwald, from the Sutton Hoo burial.
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 Posted 07/20/2013  03:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mvojnovic to your friends list
Yes there are many Roman sites in Serbia some are even counted as one of the most preserved in Europe (after Pompeii ofc ) But Iam more a medieval fan so I would reader like to see all medieval sites. Unfortunately there is not enough money in state budget for researching all archeological sites (roman and medieval) so many stay in ruins and they are on target of robbers of antic artifacts.

I dont believe these helmets are worn by barbarians, especially because they are made of gold (gold plated) so I guess they are owned by high ranked officer in roman army maybe even emperor. And helmet was probably ceremonial and not used in battle.

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 Posted 07/20/2013  07:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list

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Bravoo


I had recently been reading about Felix Romuliana and recognised the statue

It would have been an incredible palace, lots of great sites in the former Yugoslavia, I've always wanted to see Diocletians Palace, impressive indeed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocletian's_Palace
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 Posted 07/22/2013  07:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mvojnovic to your friends list
btw many roman emperors were born on territory of Serbia. I think like 12 or 15 maybe even more if you count all emperors during the Crisis of the Third Century (we call it age of military emperors). That would mean that roman provinces in these areas give more emperors then any other. (if you dont count Italy ofc)
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