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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: They must not, as it is apparently full of contractions and other paradoxes. A corporate tax attorney once told me that most of his clients violate a handful of laws just to comply with a handful of others. His job is making sure that the violated laws have the least potential penalty. He may have been exaggerating, but considering the evidence, I have to take his word on it. I would believe that for sure. The tax code its self I'm sure has numerous contradictions. Theres SOOOOOO many different tax laws its insane. I dont believe for a second every single part was considered for its impact on the whole, rather its just a bunch of individual laws put together into one book that may or may not contradict each other. It seems a lot like youre basically trying to avoid the big laws and hope everything else is good enough not to get attention. Id go so far to say even IRS agents dont know the whole code
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Cherry picking? Please elaborate. Don't know a lot about coins yet but I do know something about taxes and I have one thing to say about it: HR25, S1025, the FairTax bill. This will eliminate all tax on income and replace it with a consumption tax so your concern would be moot. http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServerRick
Edited by shootnstarz 07/20/2013 10:12 am
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Valued Member
United States
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Going back to the original question the answer is simple: all sources of income must be reported unless it is specifically exempted. Even a drug dealer has to pay taxes on their income per the law. Now, where this becomes interesting is defining the source of income. As a cherrypicker, if this is a routine source of income and a "trade" that you commonly engage in for profit, it may be classified as business or personal income and than taxed at your income bracket. If it fails to meet that test it would likely be classified as a collectibles capital gain which is taxed at an obscenely high rate. This type of issue has been one of contention between taxpayers and the IRS and I know one professional who brought the IRS to court over a related issue and a jewelry manufacturer. Of course, keep in mind that income is typically reported for an individual on a cash basis, that is no income is recognized until the coin is sold.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Doesn't seem to be in the CCF Glossary. I would define "cherrypicking" as "purchasing a coin from a seller who does not recognize it as a rarer or more sought-after variety, thus obtaining it at less than its ideal fair market value." Or would someone put it another way? Or should it be "...from a seller whom does not..."
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United States
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"Even a drug dealer has to pay taxes on their income per the law"
And this is the beauty of the FairTax, they will every time they spend one of their ill gotten dollars.
Rick
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United States
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At least the tax code allows drug dealers to deduct their cost of goods when calculating income. Typically there is no deductions we'd for illegal expenditures.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: I would define "cherrypicking" as "purchasing a coin from a seller who does not recognize it as a rarer or more sought-after variety, thus obtaining it at less than its ideal fair market value." Or would someone put it another way? Thats how I would define it too. Finding things especially varieties that are missed or under valued. Finding a FBL franklin being sold as a regular one, type 2 ike being sold as a type 1 ect.
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OK, thanks. That's not the definition I would have thought.
I envisioned someone picking through a mass of coins looking for the best ones.
Rick
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Bedrock of the Community
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Shoot that counts too. Presumably you'd be getting those undervalued in a lot picking out gems that may be hidden in there or searching bank rolls, something along those lines.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: And this is the beauty of the FairTax, they will every time they spend one of their ill gotten dollars.
I'm heavily in favor of a federal sales tax. Shut down the IRS, burn the entire tax code and make states collect a federal tax on all sales. It really can't be any fairer than that. EVERYONE pays federal tax, the more you buy, the more tax you pay, simple and FAIR. Plus, can you image your paycheck with NO FEDERAL withholding removed? 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Ask your tax preparer, plain and simple. If you buy and sell coins your tax man should know. What we think or anyone here advises on CCF do not pay any mind.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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As a dealer I would just show cost to purchase and amount sold in monthly totals, profit is profit no matter if it's $5.00 or $500.00 made on a particular coin. My CPA handled that for me. As a private sale - I just usually reinvest the profit into more coins, I don't mention it on my returns as it is not a substantial income, or an income anyone has any knowledge of (until now) Uh-oh tin foil hat going on the NSA is listening and reporting to the IRS. Seriously though if it is a lot of money that will be deposited into a bank account you may want to treat it like an investment, but I'd bet most people treat it like a garage sale and never say anything.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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1893S...that is not true. magicalmke gave a good and accurate summary. In many other cases though, you are correct.
Erns...no need for a tax guy on this one. Net sales proceeds less cost and selling expense is taxable. Why? Because that is the tax code law. Whether you choose to declare the income is another issue, but legally, you must. The applicable tax rate will depend upon your individual circumstances, including as magicalmke mentioned, whether this is a business or hobby.
And west, really, I would have to recommend against admitting to tax fraud on a public forum. That noise you heard is your CPA slapping his forehead after reading this.
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United States
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No problem Sir,
Please just log in take our handy IRS cam through each room and contents of your home and SDB and we will have you through your virtual tax audit in no time.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm all for redoing the current tax code.
That said our current leaders would take the existing code and add in so much fluff and filler the original document would swell to 4 times the current one and be even more complicated. Heck they can't even make a simple task such as securing the border and defining immigration/immigrants without creating mammoth documents. They write healthcare laws with so much tax law in them even the courts declare they are nothing but new tax laws - with thousands of pages - and the issue they wanted to address was getting insurance to the uninsured and then they left millions of them out of that vision... Too many people want to sit in on the conversations at the big table in Washington for anything to ever be about what is right for Americans anymore.
Oh an too the original question... if you made money you probably should pay a tax to someone...that is the way it works around here...
Edited by Doug58s 08/05/2013 7:06 pm
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