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1876 Indian Head Cent

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 Posted 07/26/2013  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list

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What should I do with it?

If it were mine I'd give it to Steve Caruso and have it put in "The Black Cabinet"
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 Posted 07/26/2013  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Keep it or give it to somebody who will study the heck out of it and post the results here.
I won't rest as an IHC collector until I can detect these fakes by their best details--not just the blundered date area.
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 Posted 07/26/2013  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
With all the discussions pointing out the difference in the dates on these chinese coins it's just a matter of time before they get them right.....
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 Posted 07/26/2013  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpbone to your friends list
I know this discussion is based primarily on principle, but WOW, you went through a lot of trouble for 7 bucks!
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 Posted 07/26/2013  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddy16cat to your friends list
^^^Not really, just took a couple seconds to request a refund through Paypal. Of course by finding out about it I did avoid passing it to the next victim if I decided to flip. I posted it because I was wondering why it was not brown. Coppers that old should be some sort of brown.
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 Posted 07/26/2013  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Definitely a Chinese fake doctored and perhaps buried to make it looked "aged".
Hey, $7 is $7.
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 Posted 07/27/2013  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddy16cat to your friends list
I am wondering about what someone posted about there being two types of dates in 1876 Indian Head cents:
"Back in the 1960s Hewitt published a booklet that was a reprint from the "Numismatic Scrapbook" magazine that was about Indian cent Date Varieties by Otto C. Steinberger. For what it's worth he stated that there were two date varieties of 1876 cents. I wish there were photos of these varieties in the booklet, but there are none. "
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 Posted 07/27/2013  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddy16cat to your friends list
Here is the book he referenced that states there are two date varieties for 1876:
http://www.amazon.com/Indian-variet...p/B0007G22US
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 Posted 07/27/2013  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
I've opened up my Snow guide for 1876, which is the best catalog for IHC varieties.
There is only one date style for 1876. In fact, two styles for one year is uncommon. 1865 and 1873 are the only two I know off-hand.
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 Posted 07/28/2013  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddy16cat to your friends list
Looking at the 1876 on this thread it looks sanded and soldered. I am wondering if it was an actual Indian head where the date was altered. Here is a 1906 and I can see how you could change things with soldering gun to remember a 1876.


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 Posted 07/28/2013  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Someone could change the date, but the position of the feathers would be in the wrong place.
Check the position of the last feather on the 1876 posted to this thread--it falls between the IC in AMERICA.
In the past, some IHC fakes didn't get that right either.
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 Posted 07/28/2013  02:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddy16cat to your friends list
I was already refunded the money from the seller, minus a dollar for a couple common coins. First he refunded because of issues with delivery and I repaid him minus the shipping when they were delivered. He then refunded me what I requested the fake so I left him positive feedback at least. The link to the auction is here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/indian-head...p=true&rt=nc
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 Posted 08/03/2013  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bababooey to your friends list
Wow, what an interesting discussion! Unfortunately it seems that the Chinese are taking the fun out of the hobby. That's a lot of grief for $7. Time best spent doing something else. I would destroy it and throw it out. When I was in China a read a story about a guy who went to jail for printing and selling fake communist party manuals. Obviously some party members were buying the knockoffs of their own party's work!
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 Posted 08/03/2013  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Counterfeiting is an inherent part of the hobby which we'll never be able to eradicate. So, the best thing to do about it is to disseminate as much information as possible - study and publicize the fakes - in order to better educate collectors.
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 Posted 08/04/2013  06:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddy16cat to your friends list
I am going to keep the coin and have it in a holder clearly marked that it is fake. It is a good reference.
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